Help with wind play?!?!

OK, yesterday must have been a fluke. I went out for some more practice today...and I couldn't throw anything at all except my Buzzz. The wind was pretty stiff...15-20 MPH steady, and much more "head on" than yesterday. One particular shot sticks in my head today.

I absolutely uncorked a shot into the wind with my X.S....it got out about 180' and was beginning to slow...it was high...about 30' up. Then it began to float to the left a bit. Then it started to float faster left...and kept going...and going...it ended up 165' left of the target line I was throwing on!!!

Everything I tried to throw with the wind got out about 120' and then divebombed into the ground...couldn't get anything up in the air at all. Everything against the wind floated too high, and got yanked hard left...one of my drive shots actually went 35' and I thought I threw it pretty well.

So, any tips for the noob how to play in wind? Heavier discs? Less power so I can control things better?? HELP!!! Please? Thanks.

[dannyreeves]

if the wind is pushing the up and to the left, that means you are throwing with the nose up. try to throw lower and angle the top of your wrist down when you release.

Maybe you're thowing your discs nose up!!!

Into the wind a nose up release will cause the disc to rise and hyzer fairly quickly.

With the wind a nose up disc will be beat down by the wind and drop rather quickly.

Try throwing flat and low into heavy wind. With heavy tailwind, you want to almost turn it over (b/c discs will fly more overstable), keep that disc nose down, but throw it higher!!!

[*****] Kid Roc, you beat me to it. You must refresh like a mad man...or have several screens all with different thread constantly refreshing......

okay,enough lunch for me and back to work.

[dannyreeves]

HAHA! I am quick!

OK, thanks for the help so far...now, I know I'm probably going to have people yelling at me through the monitors for being an idiot...but what exactly do you mean by "turning it over"? I see that term, and also some people talking about discs "flipping" and I guess I'm a little unclear as to what they mean, and how or why I would go about doing it.

I was trying to keep the nose down...I guess I just didn't do as good of a job of it! Thanks for the help...

[dannyreeves]

Turning a disc over means to release it with anhyzer or a right curve (right handed thrower).

Flipping is disc is when you throw it flat or with hyzer and it turns right on its own. "Flippy" discs are understable discs.

turnover = flip = anhyzer
it's the opposite of hyzer (which is what your disc does when it slows down)

To achieve a turnover/anhyzer you should release the disc so it begins to move from left to right (for RHBH), so you might want to start by arching your back and lifting your arm up a little higher. With time you'll achieve the same thing by snapping hard, putting spin on the disc, and releasing flat with an understable disc (XS, cyclone, Xpress, stratus, comet, storm).

What discs are you throwing?

KR, you did it again...maybe my posts are too long. I'm outta here and off this [*****] board,,,,,.......sf.adfjasldfas.fjaslkj

Thanks Kid...I guess I was having some trouble with flipping yesterday...couldn't keep anything in the air long enough today to wrooy about that though :D

[dannyreeves]

turnover = flip = anhyzer
it's the opposite of hyzer (which is what your disc does when it slows down)



Actually, hyzer and anhyzer only applies to a disc's angle at the point of release. A disc does not hyzer or anhyzer. You throw it with hyzer or anhyzer. :D

[dannyreeves]

AG, you are longwinded. :D

Thank you as well Black Dog :)

Right now, I have a little bit of everything disc-wise. I am trying to simplify my bag to just the minimum that I should be using as a beginner.

Right now my main discs are either an X.S., 140g Cheetah, or Dragon (haven't really decided my favorite yet) for driving, a Buzzz for fairway shots, and a Rubber Putter for putting. I already have amassed over 25 discs...although many of them I bought for when I start getting better at the game...(Crush) :)

By the way...since it went 180' out, and then 165' left...can I now say my personal best longest throw was 345' ? ;)

[discette]

Scooter - Are you throwing left handed or right handed?

If your throwing right handed, you are throwing your disc nose up.

If you are throwing left handed, get a heavier, more stable disc (Banshee, Firebird) to prevent what happened to your XS.

I'm throwing it right handed...I'll definitely be more aware of the disc's nose position when I'm playing this weekend...I'll let you know if anything good comes of it :)

Well, with the last few days of play...my driving got completely pathetic. Hyzering everything...discs drifting 50-60 feet into the air. I was a mess. And I lost my favorite driver...an XS on #18 at Griggs a few days ago...

So after playing aother horrible driving round at Hoover today (thank goodness I figured out my approaches)...I went out back with my brand new XS :D...and found out what my problem was!

A couple weeks ago...I stopped carrying my disc golf bag, and went to just holding my extra discs in my off hand, what point is there for the bag, when I'm only using 5 discs right??

And since I have arthritis in my back and legs...bending over so much (once for disc, and then for the bag) was causing me to tire very easily.

Anyway, when I kept all my discs in the bag...I would use my off hand to hold the disc level, and keep my right shoulder from dropping. That was the problem, I stopped doing that because I was carrying all my discs in my off hand now!!!

Now I've regained all my distance (plus a bit more) and my discs aren't getting caught in the wind anymore!

I can't wait for Saturday...that's the next nice day in Columbus apparently...

Thanks everyone for the help...

[Blarg]

Scooter, you want your right shoulder to dip a little. It helps keep the nose down. When the nose is up, the disc is slowed waaaay down and will 'stall' or 'skate' and turn left in a sharp curve that often actually sends the disc part of the way BACK towards you.
The strange thing is when the nose is down, the disc moves forward faster and will often 'lift' fairly high (10-30 feet) while
remaining perfectly level.
Check out the distance throwing forum here for some fantastic tips
on 'snapping' the disc for maximum distance.

Thanks for the correction...what I meant was that by grabbing the disc with my off hand on my "backswing" it kept the disc / my arm at the correct angle for a flat flight...before I was letting my shoulder get too high, and dropping my arm...which in combination, caused me to throw with a wicked uppercut.

I don't throw very far, but I did drive past 2 holes of 180' and longer at Blendon Woods today (that's a good distance for me). And I nearly hit the basket on #3 today...and I got my second ever 2 on a hole :) Shot a personal best 58!

Next, I gotta go try Hoover again. I feel like a new player, oh wait, I still am a new player :o

Thanks for the correction...what I meant was that by grabbing the disc with my off hand on my "backswing" it kept the disc / my arm at the correct angle for a flat flight.



If you want to develop distance, you'll need to get rid of that habit. By holding the disc with your off hand, you limit how far you can reach back, thus you won't generate as much arm speed before you release.

[dannyreeves]

Jim is right.

[dannyreeves]

Also, you REALLY REALLY need to check out the Scott Stokely Video. You would learn a lot about the technique of a good throw. Most online retailers carry it.

Thanks for the advice...in reality I have been looking at a few videos, and have been doing a fair amount of practice...but I'm not in any kind of shape physically to even dream about throwing much further than I already can without doing major damage to something that is already in crappy condition. :(

I'll gladly stick to 180-200' and in the fairway, (besides...my midrange game is getting rather sharp right now :) ) rather than risk further injury :) I'm in this game for the fun, and the much needed exercise, but I definitely want to improve...

My current goal is to break 70 at Hoover...

Again, I really appreciate all the help...

[dannyreeves]

Well, I have noticed that throwing far isn't something that comes from strength or a lot of physical ability. To me it is all about technique. If I ever have any pain after playing, it is usually becuase I wasn't throwing with the proper technique.

Get the Stokey video :D

[vinnie]

funny!!!! ask someone who plays in a state where the wind dont blow?
If you don't play in O.K or Round Rock keep it to yourself /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Best thing to do in heavy windy is play stable and keep it LOW :D

[m_conners]

copy that...was going to throw today but the wind is very fierce.

[m_conners]

175 CE firebirds are prepared for battle just in case :D

[letho]

i decided to go play to MC wind was fierce also had to take a little dip in the drink today...COLD :eek:....time to let the feet warm up a little bit

[Big Easy]

Throwing shots in a 20-30 mph headwind
can help you improve how smooth you throw.
If it ain't smooth it's probably fluttering and turning over :eek:
A smooth release is your best friend in the wind.
A nice CE FX Firebird doesn't hurt either. :D
You must choose to play some in heavy wind or you won't be confident when you have to play tourney golf in heavy wind.
D.P.

i LOVE high wind rounds.....probably since i use max weight, overstable plastic, and throw line drives, rather than "big air" shots....

There are plenty of great players in Columbus. I reccomend jumping in with the pros on Sunday mornings, or whenever else you can catch them. Watch what they're doing, get your butt kicked a couple of times, and ask them questions. They've helped me out a lot that way. Simple.