2003 Shoot the Breeze Open

What's up. I haven't even got there yet and you guys are working me already! /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif I am from New Alany, Ohio, its a suberb of Columbus. You have me down from Albay Ny/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif
Its ok though! I was looking to start this thred.

Gees Boles, you get worked that easy there SANDY

Whats up Jason, are we team mate at the pool table for this one? Where are you staying? You know me I am a Rock that can't be worked/msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif
Jb

How's the kids doing, are you keeping them out of trouble?

Jason where are the score from you tourney? How did everyone do?

Does anyone need a travel buddy? I can leave at 5pm. Camping maybe? Tony or Paul when are you leaving and where are you staying?

Whats Up!

Whats up Jeff? I'm on the D.L. but you almost have me talked into going for the camping, ect.I've got an M.R.I. today at one,hoping for good news, not likely though.I'll give you a holler on your cell.Oh yeah,Birdie 18 at hoover then we'll talk! there's a state park, about 20 min. from the course,I know stewart will be there thats all I know that's camping. It's on the main road headed into ashtabula.

jeff,don't camp with paulJ he might grab your flashlight.paul,shut up/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Don't make me ask stewart for results please!

Pro
Kevin McCoy first
Brad 2nd
Ben 4th

Advance
Tony G 1st by 13
Jeff B 2nd again
Does this mean my player rating is going to drop? /msgboard/images/clipart/sad.gif

Thanks Jeff

It was fun seeing McCoy for the first time this year. Good Luck this weekend Kev.

Stewart had 8 strokes on me after the first round and I took 12 from him over the next 3 rounds. I will say Stewart putt pretty bad.

Sigh, another arse whuppin' by brad, let's see that makes my record against him 0-10 I think this year!

Wow do I know how to kill a player rating, if you wish to know how to do this, shoot me an e-mail!/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Tony what did you shoot for the tourney, good shootin'?

Holton/cuson-1st; busic/janney-t-2nd;horne/whalen-t-5th. 15 pro teams in dayton. 122 people. jay/gibson 1stroke out of cash -8.

How did the advance teams do?

adam ? -8 shot pretty well still ended up in 4th-5th?thats the best i believe. gordon/dan-14; dan/ dennis-13; tyler/josh-9

Hey jeff, I'm not sure about your player rating but tony probably has a new hat size.

Thats good because the one he had was to small/msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif
He had a bird on a 490 hole, a 15 footer

Lucky!

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Saturday was about the all time worst conditions I have ever played in. Topped anything I have ever seen before. It must have been 35mph steady winds and gusts up to 50 . Some of the funniest things I have ever witnessed in golf on Saturday. Stewart on the first hole was about 20ft. away, tried to lay up (from 20ft. remember) and ended up taking a 7. He almost missed the five footer for the 7 too. The wind would literally pick your disc up off the ground and you would just watch it fly. Unbelievable to say the least. McCoy is a total bagger and should have been in Augusta. He played an unbelievable first round to get a 4-5 stroke lead and never looked back. He ended up winning by 6 to take $520 back on tour. PUNK....

bs

dayton was fun, my partner and I came back in the worst shot round and pulled out a tie for third. hope everyone had fun in trashtabula, sounds like Lorax did

What you're saying brad is that you lost?

I think he was saying it was HIS tourney to WIN, but one of those pesky golfers that plays every day beat him.

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that's it Paul.....

just teasing brad don't get sour

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darn full time golfers....

good going Tony, all that complaning at my house last weekend about not being able to beat Jeff must have paid off, or you used that sweet old school plastic that you got off of me to get some birdies

see you in T.O

Schick is on fire this year. Brad is my skinny dark horse for the final 9 at Hambrick.

Poor run
Poor weather
Bad decision on moving second round to a 12 hole course with mud and water every where, when there was a perfect 18 hole course with pads and good spot to have tournament central. They didn't even bring the Tournament stamped stuff like disc, shirts. They where selling them at the course the first day in really bad weather. The second day the weather was very nice and they had no Tournament stuff out the second day at all. It seemed to me that the two TDs where not getting along. Who ever made the decision for that second course was way off.
Bad weather
Bad Pay outs
Bad course the second day
Bad run event
I will have to skip this one next year

Thanx `Jason do you kno if the sars scare (30 new cases after st Thomas tourney) is as bad on the island and where do I catch the ferry

booty I shot a 4 on the weekend
and you

think i'm going to skip the brezee next year I fully agree with justfortheinfo/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Looks like it's open time for you, I shot 6. I did have a very bad first round with some very bad luck.(spits, rollaways, 100 foot kicks OB)

I only shot 1 stroke worse the second round when we played longer tees, and 60 MPH winds!

JustFortheInfo,

What course had tee pads that were pretty good? When I just played there this weekend the 18 hole course had mud tee pads.....The course you say we should not have played had concrete Tee Pads.......

It's one thing to criticize, but it's another to slander. I don't think they could control the weather, last year it was perfect from what I was told.

I thought some things were bad also but that stuff comes with experience. Tony look at our monthlies, we still make bad decisions at monthlies by not spreading people out on holes! The club puts people on holes 1-6 and 15-18 and leaves holes 7-14 with nobody on them! That is one of the most rookie mistakes you can make and I don't see you bashing our monthlies.......

I would play it again because it can only get better.

Call the monthly police, No ones on holes 7-14

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Paul, any idea if the other side of the dam has been marked off yet?

Thanks

Thanks paul!

I did not even mention the wacky hole layout which was all screwed up. We walked all over that course looking for our hole to start on. I am saying if they took a little time to organized instead of taking our am payout and giving it to you pro really do $uck. We traveled just as far and paid a little less than the pros and got nothing for our winnings. The winner of the advance got a crappy bag and three DX disc and little trophy. There where 13 pros and 12 advance.
The pro winner got $520 and the Advance got $86 merchandise which did not even add up to that. What’s wrong here. Even the fifth place pros got more than the Top advance.
Booty you have a fun time next year at "Shoot the ams" the only Breeze there was coming out of the TDs mouth

Here a link to the Crappy payouts
http://www.shootthebreezediscgolf.com/local_events.htm

shoot da breeze tournament look good for da pro's
according to results and payouts/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif
shoot da breeze for da ams look like crappola according to results and payouts/msgboard/images/clipart/sad.gif
sounds like a must-NOT go next year/msgboard/images/clipart/sad.gif
so if you're a PRO it's a good tournament/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif
13 pros 1st $500 dam!
12 ams 1st $86 what da hell/msgboard/images/clipart/sad.gif
good thing i went to doubles

I didn't disagree with you on the money, I was stating that you are embellishing your story by misstating which course had concrete teepads, that is called slander.......

Not to mention you should edit this sentence a little:

"I am saying if they took a little time to organized instead of taking our am payout and giving it to you pro really do $uck."

What are you trying to say in that statement?

Have some integrity and post under your real name before I bust you out, I know who you are. Have a spine and be a man.

Justforinfo-How about trying some constructive critisism, before you go bashing people who i'm sure are good people trying to do a good thing.I'm sure some suggestions would be welcomed and appreciated,and could make for a better tourn. next year.Or just keep whining!

Some of this [*****] is funny!

Yes I too think the payout was week. They strech it out! The the Advance had 12, paid 6 spots 50% And the pros had 13 and paid 5 spots with the last pro getting more than the top advance. That doesn't work out. I have been seeing more of this going on in the Am divisions. I am glad someone is stepping up.
JB

Stepping up? Ranting more like it!

I too had to walk the whole course before finding the rite hole. /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif Loving them wet feet /msgboard/images/clipart/sad.gif

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Don't worry Jeff, you and Tony will be back next year because you will both be Pros. Tony would have won $135 this year, wonder what it will be next year.... /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

105$/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif/msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

Thanks Tony and Jeff for stepping up and saying what’s up. My feet where soak also. I bet the pros feet where nice and dry since they started on a regular # hole. At least for a few holes that is.

Baggers gotta stick together

paul,you think they could be lover's/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif
hee hee ho ho

You know board monitors bust people out all the time for stuff like this, your IP address is logged and it will match for both names.

BTW Tony would have won $130 if he wasn't a bagger!/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif Thanks Tony!/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Can I see your pdga card, and IP address please

chill out booty/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Come clean Jeff! Booty is on to you!

I'm not mad or angry at all I just didn't take "JustForTheInfo" as that bad of a crybaby...

I think it is funny, and would love a monitor to come out and prove who it is so they can feel like crap. Clearly they know they shouldn't be speaking that way and do not want it traced back to them or they would post under their real name! What a punk! Ha Ha Ha

"OfficerBooty" is pretty funny there Paul! I laughed at that one. Dear Diary!

You guys can keep fishing. Booty says "Clearly they know they shouldn't be speaking that way" And he said in a earlyer thread "F the Master"

I forgot this /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

You guy should know that I have a network in my house. With four terminals. As many as four poeple can be on at a time. Heres some names that does use them. Dan, Russ, Matt, Avery, Jeff, Huff, Kyler, Justic, Roz(my wife). Now I know they would post stuff like that. Would you guys?

My job is Network Administrator, I guess you can say! Networking is a sweat thing. /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

Gees sounds like a bad tourniment, you guys should have came to the flatts classic the week before in ST.Thomas, the Pay out was great for all divisons, JUST ASK TONY GERLING, by the way Tony, don't worry about the sars, just don't use any public washrooms, and try not to touch anything, as for the ferry, what day are you going down on? i will be there Friday around 5:00, maybe sooner, give me a ring or i will see you there, if you need more info like directions email me

Jason

Actually Jeff I said "F-the MasterS"./msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif But I said it under my name with all my info. Look for yourself! Not a fake name!

P.S. You are not as hidden as you think you are........

California whine anyone?

Sorry Jeff/msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif
Ohio in da House

Hey Russ, SHUT UP!

you guy's should know dat i'm not smart enough
to write stuff like that/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif
it sounds to inteligent for me,bra/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

many,many,mahalo's and aloha's

Would the real justfortheinfo please stand up!

It's not this slim shady

As a former TD of this event, and one of the people who worked on this year's Discraft STBO, I would like to comment.

As a relatively new club, we look for guidance when running an event, and welcome constructive criticism as a means to help us improve. Some of the comments about course layout, or tournament management can help us do just that.

However, the comments about the payout seem to ignore the fact that we gave out Elite Z discs and a custom mini to every AM player. All 42 AM's went away with something. It is true that the pro purse was larger, but this was not done with AM money, but with sponsorships and Pro registration fees. The following two items were in the PDGA's recommendations for running and event, and we followed PDGA payout tables for all divisions.
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6) Expenses

Try to keep expenses to a minimum. Touring pros are expecting to win money, so the goal should be to to pay out as much as paid as possible, without sinking you and your club into debt. Hopefully, many of the expenses can be covered through disc sales by the club. Also, sponsorship money should go directly into the tournament purse. Some events put ALL of the added sponsorship money into the Open division's purse...to try and get all of the top players to play in the same division. And MOST TD's DO NOT take their 15% cut. They "leave" it in the purse.

7) Players Packages

Treat these differently for pros and amateurs. If you have players packages for pros they should be donated. If financed from entry fees this can seriously erode the pro purse. Most touring pros like to see more money, not another tournament shirt. Not so with our amateur golfers. You may want to have players packages financed from entry fees for the Amateur divisions. It is better to give ALL amateur entrants something for their registration money and then award trophies to the top finishing amateurs. (If we reward the top amateurs with scads of discs we are effectively paying them with "plastic coins" that have an approximate $8-10 value. No wonder Ams don't go pro!) So DO NOT use pro entry fees to pay for a player's package but DO use the amateur entry fees to give each amateur some real value for their money.
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We tried to do just what they recommended. If you have any further negative comments about the tourny, please email me directly, rather than air them here first. I would welcome the chance to address them, and improve our event next year. If you are not satisfied with my response, then go ahead and post a message. Sorry for the long posting, but I felt these comments should be addressed.

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Mike, you know the one complaint many had was the drive to the courses. You guys did a fine job and followed PDGA recommendations with the payouts. The weather was out of your control and the other course was out of your control. You should just run two separate events next year and let Ashtabula have their event and let Warren have their event. Your volunteer help was excellent as usual (even with the weather) and the course looked great. See you next year Mike, just try to ignore them sandbaggin' AM's from Ohio! They will be pro next year. /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

bs

86$1st
that hurt brad/msgboard/images/clipart/sad.gif

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Plus your players package....over $100 then. You could always move up and play with the big boys. /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

[rhett]

Of course "sandbagging AM" is yet another "no profile" poster. Another reason I support a "PDGA members only get to post" stance here so that there is real accountability to what you say.

This website and message board aren't free. It's paid for with PDGA dues and fees. It is administered with PDGA volunteer hours that could go elsewhere. If you think that the internet is free and speech shouldn't be restricted, please go to alt.rec.disc and fight with the ulty-d00dz.

I'm all for free speech. But with accountability. Use yer frickin' name and a profile to post your complaints you cowards!

my name,is Russell Rentiquiano,(ISLAND)
and i was having a little fun,with bradly.
just take it easy,calm down i won't post again
rhett unless its Island,OK/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gifonly reason i revealed my self is your local and great guy jeffB
brad/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

I think this is the only thing I agree with Rett on, I didn't think we saw eye to eye on anything! I have a new found respect for Rett even if he is a Vaonni chucker!

Jeff Boles M.I.A. [/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif]

How much was the entry fee for adv.?

I would be helping Jeff on his quest /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif but I don't have an e-mail address. so I can't get Profile

[jconnell]

As a complete outsider on this event, let me take a stab at this...

From the results posted earlier in the thread...the total payout value to the MA1 division = $271

Each player received an Elite Z disc and mini, so that's another $216 (12 X $18...conservative estimate of value of disc and mini)

$216 $271 = $487

Divide that by 12 players you get roughly $40 (actually $40.583333333)

So if the entry fee for MA1 was $40 (someone in the know can verify this), I'd say the payout was right on. And the spread of the payout over the top 50% was RIGHT on with the PDGA table for 12 Am players. Look for yourself (http://pdga.com/documents/td/03PayTables.pdf).

Just my observations as an unbiased outside observer.

--Josh

And I'm sure, you're not even a brain surgeon, josh.

Hey Russ, you boys playing today? Hoover?

I'm a brain surgeon...

I am glad to see some support for our Discraft STBO. I had a blast, but to clarify- why do ya think we call it "SHOOT THE BREEZE"? The breeze is most def part of the challenge of our course and it can get WILD. love it.
And- it's "Ashtabeautiful"!
Thanks to all who came and enjoyed the tourney!

There it is folks. Gina nailed it, and Josh booked it. Sorry I missed it. I'll bring my windsurfer for after the rounds next year.

word[/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif] gina

is this the brain surgery thread