What putters are in your bag?

I've been playing for a little over a year now, and I was wondering what anyone recommended in regards to putters. I use a BEAT-UP Moray right now, but feel it fades left a little too much at the end of its flight. I've heard some good things about the Aviar by Innova and APX by Discraft? Any recommendations would be very much appreciated. Thanks!

I have not seen anybody putting with the APX.
I use a Special Edition Rhyno (which are very popular) and a 150class Omega SuperSoft Putter.

Fotta have the Aviars. I like the big bead ones, but only if they have a nice soft feel to them. Kinda hard to find, so i will settle for Aviar putter if it is nice and firm. How 'bout that, a soft hard one or a hard soft one- who knew.

Gangloff uses the Apx sometimes, and so does Mark Holland.

Daniel

I use a Ching Fusion Tank and regular Tank, depending upon the situation (same weight). I have to aim a couple links higher with the Fusion Tank, presumably because it's flex during the putting stroke absorbs just a notch more energy.

Always, Fred C

i had issues with the disc falling off left a little earlier than i wanted when putting with a 175g discraft magnet so i went to a 170g discraft rattler. for me it floats flatter longer(i don't have that rocket it in style like my friends who can putt everything in from 40-50 ft). but the rattler did allow me to putt well in the 20-30 foot zone. the only problem is that the disc wants to turn over at higher speeds so from a little further out i throw a 175g comet or my magnet.

I use a 175g Discraft Soft Magnet. I've had my current putter over two years. I'll probably throw it till it disentigrates. The best thing you can do to improve your putting is to buy about 10 putters of the type you like, and go out and practice. I built my own basket and throw at least 200 putts a day at it. Don't ignore 15 footers....we can all lose strokes from 15 as easily as 35.

-Bob

Unfortunatley the ones that dont work:(

Like Bob Shirley says, go with a putter that feels good , practice every day (for those of you who can't afford a basket, use a 4 x 4 post , if you can hit that with regularity. baskets will seem like the Grand Canyon) Most impotant, KEEP YOUR HEAD UP , SHOULDERS SQUARE , BEND YOUR KNEES , AND FOLLOW THRU. By the way , I use the soft magnet max wt. TC BARE

Aviars are the pick on my list. I have been putting for the last two years with my 165 gram limited Halloween edition Jack-o-lantern putter. It has brought me many great visual affects watching that smiling face twirl through the air only to land in the basket smiling and laughing at the other players. Time to stock up on some new ones though, this one is getting a little understable and doesn't perform like it use to, tends to fade right just a tad. I suspect this is from the years of abuse, as it is the "go to" disc for everything under 175 ft. Does anyone know if Innova is continuing this Halloween tradition this year? I believe they put this stamp on aviars and rocs.

Besides, this disc reminds you when your having a tough round that this game was meant to be fun with that big smiling face. You just can't help chuckling to yourself.

[gang4010]

#1 regular putter - 167g Super Puppy,
#2 Wind Putter - 170g APX

Key for me in a putter is the depth of the disc - a nice deep disc holds a straight line or most any angle with very little effort. Very seldom do I have to worry about that "falling left at the end" flight - I'm either high enough or I'm not.

Try using a disc that is comfortable to play catch with - you may surprise yourself!! :)

Good post Craig. Is that the same old blue puppy?

Here's my 2 cents from kurt in Seattle.

Ask to borrow some friend's putters. Try the most popular -- Aviar, Magnet, Omega, 86 softie, APX, and a fat disc like the Rattler/Birdie/Super Puppy.

I think you probably should choose one of the first 3 I mentioned (Aviar/Magnet/Omega) as that is the general putter style preferred by most golfers (unless one of the other styles really hits your fancy). Then buy 2 or 3 of the same putter and give them a try for about 6-12 months before trying another style.

Golfers often change putters as their tastes and styles and superstitions change.

My general philosophy on putting is that you should putt with the straightest flying disc that you can handle. My experience is that a tuned super puppy is the straightest putter. Unfortunately, most golfers with normal push putts can't get a consistent release with a fat disc like a puppy, so they need to go to a thinner disc. If a puppy is too thick, then try an APX. Still bad? Then try an 86 mold. Still bad? Then an Aviar/Magnet, etc. etc.

[Sharky]

I've been putting with the Rattler for about a year now and here's the deal:
Pros: dead straight
run it chain high and fly by is minimal
excellent short approach just go for it
Cons: it's so thick it feels like you're throwing a recreational disc
people will tease you as in "I got beat with someone throwing a Rattler ???"

Other Comments:

I would probably prefer a super puppy as they are very similar but not quite so thick but I don't want to putt with a disc I have to collect. I want a readily available disc. However, CG said he's arranging for a puppy run, if that happens I'm going to buy a bunch of them.
I've developed a callous on the TOP of my ring finger.

I personally have had a lot of luck with the Avair putter. But some of my other beginner friends prefer the non-beveled edge putters, specifically the birdie or the polecat. But the best advice is to try a few different discs.

Since I've never thrown one, can anybody explain to me the advantages/disadvantages of a 150-class disc? (doesn't have to be just putters)
It seems to me you would lose a great deal of distance dropping so much weight.

I've tried 150-class putters, if you miss they just keep on flying. They curve more too.
You need a putter that will sit down.

On the other hand if you need to putt around something a 170g putter won't do, it just drops like a rock. A 100g putter will curve like a son-of-a-gun.

As far as non-putters, you can get info by searching this bulletin board for 150 by using the "Keyword Search" button at the bottom of the page.

Howdy All

I am currently using three putters:

1. The "Blow By": Ideal for head winds, this baby features an ultra long glide for maximum birdie to bogie efficiency.

2. The "Sally": Patented "Air Brakes" enable you to come up two feet short on all runs from 10-50 feet, thereby preserving the rim from chain induced nicks and cuts. Never worry about falling putts again, as all upshots from more than 75 feet are guaranteed to keep you out of that nasty 10 meter range. This was my number one putter at the Worlds' last week, delivering par after par after par at the Campground course.

3. The "Clank": I use this putter over and over and over because it combines the best features of the "Sally" and the "Blow By". This baby penetrates all known chain configurations, providing maximum spittage at a variety of air speeds. Special rim allows for radical air bounces from the top of most targets, and the patented differential weighting scheme guarantees edge landings and maximum roll-away regardless of release angle when any solid portion of the basket is struck. DD

That's pretty funny Dave.

I would also have to agree with shirly the magnet is my no. 1 choice I like a putter that is a little more bendable. I have thrown the aviar a few times and i like it for longer puts, but when it comes to the closer puts I have to go with the magnet.

The Super Puppy is the only way to fly ,both short and long putts ,dead straight or classic elevator putts.The key is to find what works for you.

I have problem being consistent in my putting.I have a omega supersoft which is pretty good on putts 12 and in.I also have an aviar.Anything over 15 feet I have trouble with.Does anybody have any ideas.Thanks D.J.

I bet if you ask 10 different people, you will get 10 different answers. I prefer Aviars around 170gms. Whatever putter that you feel comfortable with is what you need to use. But, you need to buy 10 of the same kind and weight and go out and practice, practice, practice. I used to use Omegas, but sometimes they can be hard to come by. Many people use Magnets, soft or hard, others use Birdies, Polecats, Omegas, Rhynos, some swear by XD's or Softies. There are so many different putters, to go with all the different kinds of golfers. Maybe next time you are at a tournament, watch the players who are doing putting practice around a basket, ask someone if you could try their soft Magnet or whatever they are using. See if it is magically attracted to the chains better than your Omega. Chances are, ther is no one magical putter out there for you. But I imagine most of the pros and top ams are using Aviars or Magnets (depending upon who their sponser is.) By the way, the Omega is made with the same mold as an Aviar.

Thanks.Have avybody know about the tank?How good is it?

don, its not the disc, its your stroke. find a disc that feels comfortable in your hand, buy 5 or more, and practice! its all about hand/eye coordination, and lots of practice.

Another approach is to take a pile of different putters and practice before the round. The one that goes in the most gets used. At one time or another I've been convinced that my Piranha/Aviar/OmegaSS/APX/Soft Magnet/XD/Fusion Tank/Rhyno/Rattler/Polecat/OmegaAP/RubberPutter/(insert your favorite putter here if I left it out) was the best thing going, and then I'd have a round where I couldn't make a putt with it if a gun was held to my head. So now I just take a pile out for practice before the round and use what's working best that day. My choice usually continues to go in during the round. Go with the flow!

Should be playin' golf, but it's 150 degrees outside, and my plastics all melted... oh, um...
disc golf... ok. regular ole aviar putt and approach is the putter of choice here. 2 or 3 in the bag at different beat levels is swwweeeet!

I only have a omega supersoft and aviar.In the next couple of weeks I'll probably get a couple of more.I'm struggling.Thanks

a heavy aviar is good for more than just putting: upshots, drives under 300', and those lonely nights on the prairie.

[morgan]

I've never putted into a chain thing. I see that you have to sort of flip the disc vertically to get it in. I've always played that you had to hit vertical things like poles and trees. I suggest that it's more of a challenge to hit vertical things so you have to actually throw it horizontally like a real disc toss, instead of turbo putting it like a freaking tiddley wink, or flicking it vertically like throwing your sister's phonograph record of Donny Osmond into a dad-burn garbage can.

Whammo Frisbee golf kits use a flagpole with a spring hinge at the bottom, and the object is to knock the pole over. I think that's better. These chain basket things are a crock.

Morgan, you're trolling.

[morgan]

No, just trying to change the rules that everybody else plays by, to my rules. He he.

OK, I'll bite. Even if it's just a troll, what an idiot

[mattdisc]

Can't wait for Morgan to play some real disc golf. Anyone can hit a tree or a pole. I think he's afraid to play against real competition.

I'll bite Morgan - but will spit the lure back at you when I'm done. Remember "golf" includes not merely hitting a target - but getting an object INTO a target. The "chain thingy" as you call it is actually rather ingenious in it's efforts to halt the horizontal flight of a disc. Once you get past using lids - you'll find that golf discs fit in there a little better.

Come join us on a real golf course sometime - for someone that's been playing for so long - you owe it to yourself to learn a new game!!

[morgan]

Sept 23 at the grand opening of the Oxbow Falls Course near Syracuse, NY. I'll be there. It's just going to be a casual thing, not a real tournament. The people who planned and built the course will be showing everybody around, and people will be taking off-the-cuff runs of the 18 hole course. I'll snap it my way just to watch everybody's jaws hit their shoes. It's going to be fun.

Have fun at Syracuse. While you're there, pick up an Aviar or Omega putter. It's much easier to get them in the basket, ( hint: throw it horizontally).

I played in a tournament at Hunington and I bought a xd to go along with my aviar.I used the xd for long putts and the aviar to go for the short putts.I got a one over and played better than that.I just messed up on three holes.Than I played another round and got a one under which is my best round and I could of easily been three under because I missed two easy putts which I didn't concentrate on.I'm finally getting putting.Thanks

Lisa, don't give away all of our secrets! hehehe Good one.

Topic at hand: Rhynos, both hard and soft. Gotta love 'em.

I like the soft magnet for most of my putting. However, I find it a little incosistent at longer ranges. Usually I'm 8 out of 10 from 35 feet but after that I have a harder time keeping my disk on a straight line. Should I switch my grip, my stance, my release or a combination of the following?

you bet

86 solftie is the best

softie

*I like the soft magnet for most of my putting. However, I find it a little incosistent at longer ranges. Usually I'm 8 out of 10 from 35 feet but after that I have a harder time keeping my disk on a straight line. Should I switch my grip, my stance, my release or a combination of the following? *

Try switching to a stiffer version of the same disc, same weight. Your soft putter is probably flexing unpredictably with the increased power needed at that distance. It doesn't take much to throw off a precision putt.

For example, I've found I have to aim my soft Fusion Tank about 2 or 3 links higher from about 25 feet out than I do with a regular Tank of the same weight at the same distance. For this reason, I typically switch to my regular Tank at 25 feet out because hitting the chains is more important than missing everything with a soft putter.

If I feel I'm at my max range for either Tank, and want to still use a putting motion rather than just lay up, I might switch to a deep rim 150 class disc like a Shark for floating drop putt. There's some additional risk involved, but frequently it pays off, especially with practice.

These technique suggestions all change if you are challenged by courses with lots of obstacles around the target, where knowing how to execute a curved putting path and/or putting with variable weight discs might be frequently required and/or preferable. If all you play are courses with wide open target putting areas, this may not be much of a concern.

Always, Fred C

I was going to experiment with 86 softies for fun this winter. Then I found that they are getting really hard to find. I've heard a rumor that Wham-O may be discontinuing them, although it's very hard to believe that Wham-O would discontinue what might be their traditionally best-selling disc.

Anybody hear different? Kurt from Seattle

rattler

Pad Timmons for Inflight in Ann Arbor says the 86 softie is discontinued and used ones sell for 25 to 30 $.

The 86 Softie can be bought wholesale through a pact between Innova and Wham-o but you must be a Licensed Retailer to buy them.

I prefer a good old XD myself. I've never owned a disc that flies straighter. The day I bought one was the day I cut 5 stokes off my game. I highly recommend it.

The Softie plot thickens. According to Gotta Go Gotta Throw "they are having trouble with the Softie mold" and it could take a week or two to get such a disc. I sure hope it lives up to its rep after all this buildup.

[paul]

I used aviars for years but they seemed to turn away from the basket at the last second on long puts, and they would always warp when left in my car. I now use a softy APX, I know these discs aren't made but a while back a bunch were relesed from the factory as defects. This disc flies straight, grabs the chains like no other disc I've seen, and will not warp, even in Arizona heat at 110 degrees.

I am relatively new to the game (about 18 months or so) and have been practicing my putt hard lately. I have 10 APXs that I use and I am seeing improvement all the time.

I can make about 60 - 70% at 21 feet which is progress for me but my question is how good is good?

What type of percentages do the top and above average players obtain? I know factors like wind and rain will affect this as well but any information would be appreciated.

Dave

I got an Upshot. It Ssssucks. I cant throw it striat. it dosent go far. and it curves...........................yick.

Any one got a suggestion for an 11 year old begginer. email me at human_17@hotmail.com

Omega SuperSoft and SE Rhyno!

I use a (Soft) Special Edition Rhyno for putting and approach shots too sometimes. The feel is good and I can usually hit 40' putts semi-consistently with it. All depends on your own throwing style and what type of plastic you like to throw.

To Dave from Kurt in Seattle -- I am a bottom-feeder cashing pro. In my world, good would be 90% of 20-footers and 70-80% of 30-footers to be good. That's during tournament, under reasonable circumstances.

My advice for you is to concentrate on the critical area of 15-25 feet until you can make 90 % in practice. Occasionally play around with longer lengths for a change of pace, but mostly all of your practice should be 15-25 feet until you're 90%.

I say your goal should be "When it's crunch time in a tournament and there's a 20-footer that's got to be made, there's no one around that's better than me." Good luck.

The #1 Upshot is one of the worst. The #2 Upshot is one of the best. A lot like an Aviar, but a little less stable for a straighter throw. Delicate, though.

Does anyone else use the Innova Birdie. It is my putter of choice because it is so straight even at the end of it's flight it doesn't turn. Plus you can make a run at the basket without sailing past by 15 feet or more if you miss.

I have 3 discs for putting:
Birdie - short and midrange putts
XD - anhyzer, forehand, and long range putts
Aviar - Hyzer putts and Air-bounce putts

Soft Rhyno all the way.
One that is all beaten and super soft; by far my favorite turnover disc on short drives or mid-range approaches. Super consistent and sticks within 5ft of where it lands.
The other is newer and stiffer, in much better shape; used for all putts and for short drives/mid-approaches that must not turn over at all.
I love the thumb-trac design, and plan on sticking with it for a while, but anything will work with a little practice.

HOW CAN U PUTT WITH A 86 SOFTIE
IT SEEMS TO HAVE A APX MOLD BUT FLYS LIKE A FOLDED AVIAR

Well, looks like I use a putter that hasn't been mentioned here yet so I will throw my two cents in . I put with a gummy shark just like a shark but with supersoft plastic. They are hard to find these days but they are super forgiving and they are great head wind putters. They keep me from leaving my putts short because stepping up to the putt I know if I don't put some umph behind it, it won't get there. They also make good long putters, but do like to ramblin twenty or thirty by on occasion.
RichardP

I recently got a Fly-Dye glow APX from discgolfworld.com- what a disc! Good for putts and approaches, day or night. Real predictable, once you get used to the high dome. But really, all putters are good if you can adjust to them. I've used every putter that's readily available, and if you buy enough to practice with, they all work well. Take a few of each out to practice with before your round, and use the one that goes in the most that day. Every putter that I've felt strongly about has let me down more than once, so I no longer believe in the "magic putter". I just use what's working for me that day. I have a friend who beats me frequently with no putter! He uses his driver for all his putts- plays a round with 2-3 discs. Go figure.....

Discrafts APX is the easiest to throw putter.
Nearly 80% of my more than 10ft Putts are in

Puppy Power!!!!

Super Puppy is a classic putter, and great all around golf disc. Before there was beveled edge discs - the pup was high tech. It's a great straight flyer, and holds a beautiful straight line, or a nice easy fade. Less effective for hyzer putts, but great for turbo putts. There's only a few of us left using them, but notables (at least in the past) that have had great success include Glen Whitlock, and Steve Valencia. Give it a try!! They are available at DSRC, DGWN, and IFO.

I can not beleive that no one here throws Aeros. From 50ft and further, a choice Aero has sung the chains many times for me. I use Aviar inside 50.

Sweet Im askin for that one, for My Birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im Confused, Are the APX Elite and the Discraft APX the same thang simmiler or nothing alike.

Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I aswered my own ?

Abram, meet me at the mall this weekend. My dad said he could take us home.

[morgan]

But, Abram, his Dad said we aren't allowed to smoke.

I have renamed the #2 Upshot "The Fake-viar". Hold it side-by-side with the real thing.

To Westin from Kurt in Seattle - I use a Birdie only rarely, when I'm in the mood. I think the Puppy is straighter than a Birdie, but on the other hand, the Birdie is pretty *@#! straight, and it doesn't crack like a Puppy does.

Can somebody give me some advice on putters to try on windy days? I've just been using a roc and throwing it with a little umph to make sure it goes straight, but there's got to be a better way. Any suggestions?

Fusion Tanks Rule!! Stick more and little blow-by. Super Puppies are dead effin' straight, but they seem to break easily and blow-by too much.

[rhett]

Soft Rhyno. I used to bust out the Roc on windy days until the local pros looked at me in horror, saying things like "that disc will just take off and fly away in the wind!" Never had it happen, but it scared me.

How windy? Local pro advice here says throw your putter upside down from 20 and in on severe wind days, and lay up from outside of 20. Maybe you're not talking that kind of wind? (We don't have that kind of wind here, but I did play in Vegas once...)

Well, pretty windy. If I were to flick a putter straight up in the air, for every foot it went up it would move move than half a foot to the side with the wind by the time it got back to the point of release.

Thanks for the soft rhyno advice, I'll have to give that a shot. And thanks for the advice about throwing the putter upside down, I never thought about that before.

soft magnet for me, i currently own 25, I usually carry 3, 1 good n broke in, 1 just broke in, 1 new
its the straightest disc I've thrown, the best disc
made as far as I'm concerned. my go to disc for just about everything under 250ft. i used to also carry the APX and Avair...too much confusion so i narrowed it down to the magnet, and I'm still amazed at what all this disc can do. hyzers, anhyzers, drives, approaches, rollers, pancakes,
peace

I am beginning to appreciate what short range discs can do for one's game. I am pretty much set on the Aviar/Omega molds. You name it these discs can do it all, and they fly straight as well. Whenever I have the chance, I'll throw a putter/mid-range from 200-250 feet out.


JH

The APX is my favorite disc to throw within 50'.The glide is nice and straight.

[slo]

Soft Rhynos mostly; a beat-up Gator in head/cross wind conditions. Rhynos fly straight when slightly used, some fade when new.

Omega Super Soft 1.5 (circa late '96/early '97) run for putting. Omega Super Soft 1.14 for short-mid drive and approach, light to no wind.

I recently switched from the 1.4 Omega SuperSofts to the soft rhynos. I am a horrible putter so the differences were negligible, but I found them to be a much more predictable disc to throw. The only problem is that they don't get the glide that an aviar or omega has on a nice 250' anhyzer. I really have to throw the crap out of them to get them to fly 250-300'. There is one other advantage to them when putting, and that is that they are really grabby in the chains. I have far fewer chain outs than I used to.

Definitely a toss up between a soft magnet and a soft ryhno. I love the thumb trac system and the consistency of the ryhno, but the soft magnet always comes through for me.

[Moderator005]

I've experimented with quite a few putters over the years. I had little to no success with the Birdie, Polecat, Magnet, and Super Puppy. These discs might all work well for others but were a little too "liddy" for me. The Omega Supersoft is a fantastic short-range putter (60' and in) that really grabs the chains like nothing else. The Supersoft was not consistent enough for me for longer putts/approaches, which an Aviar is perfect for, imo. You really can't go wrong with an Aviar and that is what I recommend when people ask me about putters.

A few years ago I got a Discraft Elite APX and I have sworn by it ever since. It is awesome for normal short range putts. It does get its share of "bounce/chain outs" and will turnover on longer upshots/approaches.

In my bag I currently carry that APX and a 171g Aviar for upshots.

I've heard nothing but great things about Rhynos and that will probably be the next putter I try, someday.

[neilbondy]

This is an interesting thread, as I find myself carrying almost as many putters as drivers these days. I used to use nothing but Fusion Tanks, but got sick of the bounce-outs, and went back to a "normal" putter. I'm currently using an Omega Experimental AP/Driver for short range, and the Tank for long range, but I also carry an APX, a 146g Blowfly II, an Aviar X, and I just tossed my Soft Rhyno into the lake. I know I'd probably be better off just sticking to a single putter, but there's always a situation where each of these discs comes in handy. I use the Rhyno or Tank for big hysers around a tree or forehands, the APX seems to just work right for straddle putts, and everyone should carry a Blowfly II for anhysers around an obstacle, unless they have a solid forehand. The beauty of the Blowfly is that it can handle that anhyser angle (or really whatever angle you want to give it) without diving down to the ground. It just glides and maintains the height necessary to hit the basket.

[Chris Hysell]

I prefer a beat to death soft magnet. I carry a another one in case of a mishap with my main putter. I always use the beat one, no matter what the wind conditions are and no matter what distance. With a beat putter, you can really increase your putting distance. Flat footed and without a jump putt, I get metal out to about 140ft. From farther, I either jump putt or throw the putter.

I almost have myself talked into using the rhyno exclusively as my putter this year. I have struggled in the past with my putting. I started out using the old Pirahna then tried magnets,aviars,polecats,omegas.... and now i'm using the rhyno. To me it has a very consistant overstable flight. I can rely on this and putt with a mini S pattern. Probably not the best technique but it seems to be working. It is also very consistant as a forehand putter.

Lately I have been playing the local course throwing 99% of the shots with a rhyno. (Todd Branch style of disc golf) I believe that it has given me a better understanding of the disc and it's flight patterns.

[seewhere]

Magnet for up shots..Omega ap 1.6 for windy days and super soft omega 1.15 for calm days..

I putt with a beat up Big Bead Aviar. I use a KC Aviar for most of my upshots, especially if trees are involved. I learned that lesson last year when I broke my primary putter two weeks before a tournament. DOH! DD

Max-weight Fusion Tanks for all putts and approaches. Classic Rocs (it's a more a putter than anything) for all short drives. They Roc(k); ask Joe THE. I also use the Gator for short drives where I need overstability. It's not considered a putter, but then again, it don't go very far.

[neonnoodle]

MADC President - Super Puppy.
MADC Vice President - Classic Hammer.

I guess that just about sums it up. http://pdga.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif

No word about the 86 Softie? I've been using it since '92. It's great for approaching up to 200' if you have a straight shot, and for a short but hard anhyzer (standing with your back to the basket).

[mattdisc]

Aviar-X (New stiffer mold) and a beat up aviar putter for longer putts and approaches

[discndav]

A black 86 Softie has been my putter for years
for putts inside 30 ft. Also, I carry 3 Omega SS's
for shots 200 ft and in (and for windy days
inside 30 ft).

As I've stated many times, does anyone know
where I can find more black 86's?

[rick_bays]

Dave Prue wrote:

[[As I've stated many times, does anyone know
where I can find more black 86's? ]]


Have you tried Discovering the World?

There doesn't seem to be one putter that is favored by the masses over another. I didn't tally up the different votes but nothing really stands out.

I would have thought the Aviar Putt & Approach or the Omega SS would have stood out. Maybe it's a regional thing because I think this area (MADC) favors those two discs for putters.

If I'm going for a putt (and not laying it up which is rare to begin with), I use the Omega SS excusively from any range.

-Scott

Keen observation Scott,

I really like the Omega SS for putts. We have some fast hilly greens where I play and a player needs a disc that won't get on the rim and run away. A real chain grabber too! 172g works well for me. By the way, I play at Renaissance Park in Charlotte.

"Stick"

[nix]

I keep seeing different #'s after omega supersoft. What do these mean? I have three SS's, and only one of them have a #(1.14)
The other two have different stamps,one a Mr.BigPutts and the other a PDGA,how do I know what these are?Just curious.

Josh, the numbers refer to the mold and run of that disc. The first number (1) is the mold number. That means that is the first mold of that disc. When ever they retool the mold they would change the mold number. The second number is the run number. That means your SS came from the 14th run (they are up to 15 now). The different runs of SS feel different. Supersofts with custom stamped usually had the mold.run numbers written or printed on the bottom of the disc. If it has worn off the only way to figure out what it might be would be to compare it to other SS that you know what mold.run they are. Only Millennium discs have the mold.run numbers on them.

I myself put with Omega Supersofts and use different ones during different times of the years. Some of the runs were really soft (1.12) and others were stiffer so I rotate them between cold and warm temperatures. But, I practice putting with all of them.

[nix]

awesome!Thanx Matt. One of my SS's is much stiffer than the other two.

big bead aviar: mid-range up shot

glow aviar: 40' or shorter putts

[pnkgtr]

173G Soft Magnets

[vwkeepontruckin]

G9i Wizard for approaches
Soft JK Aviars for putting

XD 170ish g approach and long putts.

Aviar Putt-Approach 170ish g short putts ( and when I am putting like crap with the XD)

Swirl APX all da way

[Jake L]

I carry 4 DX rhinos, 2 soft, 2 stiff, and 1 CE rhino.
2 stiff, for drives,
2 soft for upshots
1 CE for putting,

[junnila]

What about the challenger, d, soft uv, and now cryZtal z

[bigchiz]

Chief, also known as Wizard H by Gateway Disc Sports.

I started with the Birdie, then found the Omega and was happy with it until a very hot tournament. The soft Omega was whimpy. Next came the Soft Magnet, but my collection of those discs warped in less than a year so I opted for the Z Magnet as a replacement. I'll be darned if those Z Mags don't spin out of the basket. Seemed like it was teflon coated, and took me a season to finally realize it. The Cheif has been in my bag for over a year now. The plastic is great, it hasn't warped, stays firm in the extreme heat (95 f and above) and still remains flexible when it's snowing.

[dischick]

i was puttin with the magnet for a couplpe of years, and then i found the cam todd d challenger, the disc is just butter, for putting, as well as upshots. then last week, i hit a tree, pretty hard, and it broke. was shocked considering it wasnt even cold out. now that i am down to only one of those, and who knows when i will see cam, i may have to switch back to the magnet.i try to think that its not the disc, its how you throw it. if its solid center, you should be golden no matter what it is.

Main putter- 173 (?) Soft Wizard

Long distance putt/lay up- 170 Stiff Wizard

I'm begining to prefer having my Wizards stiff

(how immature)

[primetime]

I used to putt with 175 SE Rhynos but wanted something with more glide. Tried the Birdie which I liked and the the Polecat which was awesome for glide but poor handling into headwinds. I liked the Challengers but finally settled in with Aviars. I dropped down in weights to get the glide I wanted and currently putt using 168 & 170 in the new Pro Line plastic with a 174 glow for some 200 ft drives.

Carry a 172g Omega supersoft because I've had this disc for like 7 years. Its got so many scratches and nicks on it I bet its only 169g by now!!

Main putter is a KC Pro Aviar at 172g. Not great in windy conditions but its wonderful for approach shots and 250' drives.

cheif, its probably my 50th putter. i started out with a avair, then i went with a ss, birdie, tank, wizard, rhyno. somewhere in there was a apx and a xd. i still cant hit anything longer than 20 ft.

[anita]

I like older Omega APs. I've stuck more cheesy putts with that disc than any other. For putts bordering on approaches, I like my beat Roc.

If it's windy (and around here, when is it not?) I like Omega drivers. I recently got the mother load of Omega drivers and they work well for me. I don't putt hard and they hold the line.

right now ive got a discraft soft magnet and i just ordered a No. 2 Putter - Straight Line Putter for water approach shots. gotta work on my putting though

Pretty consistant from within 35 feet with my Gateway Soft Wizard. No other putter that I have tried has worked nearly as good for me except for my Magnets (Hard and Soft). I like the Soft Wizards a lot better though.

I've recently fallen in love with a 120g Wizard...on longer putts, I love just floating it out about 5-10 feet right of my target, and letting it dive right into the basket...of course, that only happens once a round, but it feels good when it goes in, and I'm usually just tapping in anything I miss. And I haven't had any troble with it getting caught up in wind...if it's windy out, I just keep it lower, and aim straight at the basket...it holds line just fine.

!!! Watch The Shield !!!




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Putt with a Challenger, you'll be glad you did. Z, X, Soft UV, doesn't matter. They all fly the same. If they can make ME a better putter, imagine what they can do for you! :)

3x Aviar X's are my personal fave, if you have any extras PM me, I will trade for em.

[boru]

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These days I'm splitting my putting duties between a 175g DX Rhyno and a heavy Champion Aero.

I started using DX Aero 175g outside the circle. It has nice glide!

[flynvegas]

I use a Blow Fly I. I think Ed made this putter to tame his "Horns". I use a beadless Aviar for longer putts.

[scottsearles]

200' or less CE Ryhno it just SIT'Z no skip only 170 G,but it flies like it weigh's 200 Gram's, if inside 30' with tailwind go to beat up Aviar ;) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Chris Hysell]

How does a 200g disc fly? :confused:

[dannyreeves]

I dont think it does.

[Chris Hysell]

A pirahna flies like a 245/40/ZR18.

[scottsearles]

How does a 200g disc fly? :confused:



It flies very very STABLE. I can put it on about 45/60 degree's ANNI. line and it still come's back :eek: ;)

I have both a elite x and elite z putt'r. They are both amazing. I use the z for longer putts and short approaches. As it becomes more beat it is starting to stick in the chains a lot better, which it kind of had a prblem with when it was new. The x it soft and grippy and i throw it straight as an arrow and it sticks in the chains on any putt less than 40 feet. I just got the new pro line aviar but i haven't used it very much yet and i don't know if i will.

[sciencet_cher]

Max weight soft magnets for putt, max weight magnet (dx) for approach. Using them for years and afraid to try something new!!!

[seewhere]

1999 omega AP 1.3

champion aviar

dx Aviar P&A.

174 Discova soft Doesntmatter
174 Innocraft soft Whocares
174 Gatening soft Wontaffectyourgame
173 Lightway Hard Thisthreadispointless

[dannyreeves]

lol, that is funny. I throw the 175 Itdoesntmatterbecausewithinthirtyfeeteverydiscwill goinyesevenafirebird

it's an informational comparison thread...very useful :D

2 Hard Mag's and a CE Spider :D

lol, that is funny. I throw the 175 Itdoesntmatterbecausewithinthirtyfeeteverydiscwill goinyesevenafirebird

exceptthediscthatiamthrowing

JK Aviar-x -- the soft 3x version. On the west coast (DISCovering the World has them) you can get soft 4x's, but not east or midwest, where most places seem to have the stiffer run that was run by mistake. Soon the 5x's will be out and they'll all be the soft (aka: good) kind. It is great for approach shots and putts. It really sticks to the chains and grabs the ground in the unlikely event of a miss :D

[pnkgtr]

173G Soft Magnets

Since this post is nearly three years old I thought I'd better update it.

JK Aviar X's

[vwkeepontruckin]

174 Discova soft Doesntmatter
174 Innocraft soft Whocares
174 Gatening soft Wontaffectyourgame
173 Lightway Hard Thisthreadispointless



I also throw a Whamrobie Arrow 86

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Back to talking about putters. :D

I love my Aviar-X! I thought I liked them before when I first got one, but that one happened to be one of the harder 4X's. Now that I have recently bought a new softer 4X, I like 'em a whole lot more.

Just an Aviar 174, I would like a supersoft next.

I did drive with it until I got a Roc 170. I have yet to make nice with my Cheetah. [/Rookie]

[spartan]

old omega ap and a q-mega for short upshots.

[shanest]

2 Rhynos - 172 Pro Line (soft) for all putting within 50 or so feet, some approaches. 172 Champion for approaches within 150ish.

2 Aviars - 175 JK-X 3X for loong go-fors (70, 80 feet) and long upshots (250 and in) as well as short drives, 175 Champion for anhyzers between 150 and 250.

My first was an aviar, then chainseeker magnet. Now I use a rhino on calm days up to 30-35 feet and a heavy gator on windy days or anything over 40 feet.

[jmo]

WAY 2 MANY

[vwkeepontruckin]

WIIIIIZZZZZAAAARRRRDDDD....

The Swirl APX just pushed the Wizard out of my bag. I know, its wierd, cause I thought the Wiz was the ultimate putter. I just can't get enought of the Swirly! Its like the missing link in my putting game!!

Right now the Swirl APX is the only disc in my bag!! Amazing plastic! Despite its super understable reputation, its actually usable as a short driver if you're careful! I put out to about 250 today flat and about 300 on a slight downhill.

Wizard (Proto) for long putts, Z-Putt'r for short/anhyzer putts.

[crotts]

Aviar Putter for close up (the first putter i ever got when i was 6)
Aviar Putt and Approach for longer shots

they're both stamped from 1991. great discs.

: ) :

[williethekid]

174 KC Pro Aviar for short drives(what a disc!!!)
175 Jk aviar x for putts within 45 feet and approaching
174 Champion Rhyno for wind approaches and putting in the wind
165 Super Soft for jump putts(looking into a 150 jk aviar x)

Anyone use 150 class putters for low ceiling shots or long putts?

[cormack]

I've had so many flings with so many mistresses, but I always come back to my candy Aviar. In heavy winds, I Roc out.

[jmonny]

Aviar P/A, 175g for under 50 ft
XD, 175g for anhyzer flicks
Spiders, Pro/DX for 50-80 ft flicks

Cam Todd D Challengers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i just got my new KC Pro First Run Aviar. so physched to go throw it tomorrow.

but i got a #2 Lightining Putter and a Discraft Soft Magnet

I threw an Omega SS a bit today. It was nice but not nice enough to push the Swirl APX out!

[quickdisc]

174 KC Pro Aviar for short drives(what a disc!!!)
175 Jk aviar x for putts within 45 feet and approaching
174 Champion Rhyno for wind approaches and putting in the wind
165 Super Soft for jump putts(looking into a 150 jk aviar x)

Anyone use 150 class putters for low ceiling shots or long putts?



Nice selection. I have to try the 150 class putter for the long putts. I hear they don't drop out of the air as quick.
Thanks for the tip. :D

[williethekid]

Tell me how the 150 works, and thanks 4 the praise, all i can say is that since ive switched to that set my putting has improved 200%.

[rtinsa]

Medium WIZZZZZAAAAAD! 174g For 275ft and in upshots!
Super Soft WIZZZZZZZZZZAD for putts 175g
Making people scratch there heads since 2001 :D

[esalazar]

beat AVIAR
newer aviar
champion RHYNO

[Chris Hysell]

Magnet

[Chris Hysell]

And another magnet

super beat up soft Aviar

hard big bead Aviar

[dm4]

Beat Aviar
Champion Aviar
Champion Rhyno (just added).

[dannyreeves]

Anything that isn't something Z or Champion.

XD's are cool! easy to drive too!

[shanest]

My putter ensemble is set in stone now:

175 JK-Pro Aviar X (3x) for short drives/longer overstable or straight upshots
175 Champion Aviar for longer turnover approaches
172 Pro Line (soft) Rhyno for almost all putts
172 Champion Rhyno for almost all upshots within 175 feet, nice and straight too
175 DX Rhyno mainly to practice, but also good for anhyzer upshots where the Aviar would glide too much

That is the absolute perfect setup for me when it comes to putters. It just works.

[bcoxxx]

i used to use a z'puttr exclusively, but finally i got fed up with it...for the last couple of weeks i've been using an SE soft rhyno for most putts, and a cryZtal challenger for longer approaches and putting in the wind...

[quickdisc]

My putter ensemble is set in stone now:

175 JK-Pro Aviar X (3x) for short drives/longer overstable or straight upshots
175 Champion Aviar for longer turnover approaches
172 Pro Line (soft) Rhyno for almost all putts
172 Champion Rhyno for almost all upshots within 175 feet, nice and straight too
175 DX Rhyno mainly to practice, but also good for anhyzer upshots where the Aviar would glide too much

That is the absolute perfect setup for me when it comes to putters. It just works.



Nice selection.............. I use the JK-X myself. :D

[dannyreeves]

A couple Wizards and a beat up Aviar P and A.

YAY WIZARDS

I know this sounds werid but I want to draw a Wizard hat on top of the "G" on Gateway.. but I'm unskilled in the art of drawing cool Wizard hats

Wizard and beat Aviar P&A for me as well.

[dannyreeves]

Wizard and beat Aviar P&A for me as well.



Great minds............. ;)

I need a new putter, I have a 175g Aviar and i cant throw the thing, lately i have been using my 179g Champ Shark, and i have been putting better with that than anything else. Any suggestions about like an apx or rhyno?

[shanest]

I used to putt with Aviars but now I'm a Rhyno man. I say buy one and see how you like it. The APX seems like a hot putter, but I've never thrown one. The same holds true for the Wizard, but you might not want that since the mold is similar to the Aviar. The Magnet is also supposedly a great putter.

[LouMoreno]

St_T_DiscGolfer, you might want to try some of the candy putters if you prefer using more overstable and harder plastic.

[spartan]

apx arent very stable and glide a long ways.

try the challengers.

Try the wizard. Its mold is very similar (if not identically) to that of a KC/big bead dx Aviar but the plastic grippier. They tend to take damage early but after the first beating period they seem to take almost no damage. Of course this could be from the fact that when I first switched I had to adjust and now all I do is hit chains. :D

[shanest]

I've never seen a big bead DX Aviar. The Putt & Approach and Driver are both beadless, at least all the ones I've ever thrown. Did Innova used to make a beaded DX?

[dannyreeves]

I've never seen a big bead DX Aviar. The Putt & Approach and Driver are both beadless, at least all the ones I've ever thrown. Did Innova used to make a beaded DX?



Most Aviar Drivers are big beads. They still make them.

[dannyreeves]

Try the wizard. Its mold is very similar (if not identically) to that of a KC/big bead dx Aviar but the plastic grippier. They tend to take damage early but after the first beating period they seem to take almost no damage. Of course this could be from the fact that when I first switched I had to adjust and now all I do is hit chains. :D



Another difference is that the flight plate is thinner. More weight is distributed to the rim. This disc flies further than the Aviar! :D

[quickdisc]

Try the wizard. Its mold is very similar (if not identically) to that of a KC/big bead dx Aviar but the plastic grippier. They tend to take damage early but after the first beating period they seem to take almost no damage. Of course this could be from the fact that when I first switched I had to adjust and now all I do is hit chains. :D



Another difference is that the flight plate is thinner. More weight is distributed to the rim. This disc flies further than the Aviar! :D


Interesting ............may have to check that out.

[dannyreeves]

Try the wizard. Its mold is very similar (if not identically) to that of a KC/big bead dx Aviar but the plastic grippier. They tend to take damage early but after the first beating period they seem to take almost no damage. Of course this could be from the fact that when I first switched I had to adjust and now all I do is hit chains. :D



Another difference is that the flight plate is thinner. More weight is distributed to the rim. This disc flies further than the Aviar! :D


Interesting ............may have to check that out.



300'!!!!!!! :D

[quickdisc]

Try the wizard. Its mold is very similar (if not identically) to that of a KC/big bead dx Aviar but the plastic grippier. They tend to take damage early but after the first beating period they seem to take almost no damage. Of course this could be from the fact that when I first switched I had to adjust and now all I do is hit chains. :D



Another difference is that the flight plate is thinner. More weight is distributed to the rim. This disc flies further than the Aviar! :D


Interesting ............may have to check that out.



300'!!!!!!! :D


You threw a wizard 300 feet ?

[dannyreeves]

Try the wizard. Its mold is very similar (if not identically) to that of a KC/big bead dx Aviar but the plastic grippier. They tend to take damage early but after the first beating period they seem to take almost no damage. Of course this could be from the fact that when I first switched I had to adjust and now all I do is hit chains. :D



Another difference is that the flight plate is thinner. More weight is distributed to the rim. This disc flies further than the Aviar! :D


Interesting ............may have to check that out.



300'!!!!!!! :D


You threw a wizard 300 feet ?



No, I throw (present tense) a Wizard 300'. I have thrown it much further but that is what I can do almost everyday.

[quickdisc]

Cool ! ! ! That's good distance for throwing a putter.

[dannyreeves]

I always challenge people on putters and Rocs. It is way more interesting. Drivers are silly. :D

[quickdisc]

I always challenge people on putters and Rocs. It is way more interesting. Drivers are silly. :D


Great training tools !!!! If you can drive putters and mid-range plastic. Man................you will build your strength. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[dannyreeves]

I always challenge people on putters and Rocs. It is way more interesting. Drivers are silly. :D


Great training tools !!!! If you can drive putters and mid-range plastic. Man................you will build your strength. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



One time, I put away everything but 2 Wizards and threw only them for 1 week straight (playing evey day). After that week, I was throwing 20-30' further on average with my drivers. SPIN, BABY!!!!!

I should do it again when I don't have a tournament coming up.

[quickdisc]

I always challenge people on putters and Rocs. It is way more interesting. Drivers are silly. :D


Great training tools !!!! If you can drive putters and mid-range plastic. Man................you will build your strength. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



One time, I put away everything but 2 Wizards and threw only them for 1 week straight (playing evey day). After that week, I was throwing 20-30' further on average with my drivers. SPIN, BABY!!!!!

I should do it again when I don't have a tournament coming up.


Sounds like a plan. :D

Try the wizard. Its mold is very similar (if not identically) to that of a KC/big bead dx Aviar but the plastic grippier. They tend to take damage early but after the first beating period they seem to take almost no damage. Of course this could be from the fact that when I first switched I had to adjust and now all I do is hit chains. :D



Another difference is that the flight plate is thinner. More weight is distributed to the rim. This disc flies further than the Aviar! :D


Interesting ............may have to check that out.



300'!!!!!!! :D


You threw a wizard 300 feet ?



No, I throw (present tense) a Wizard 300'. I have thrown it much further but that is what I can do almost everyday.



I have thrown them 300' too. I can only throw them about 250' on a regular basis, but they are great! It's fun to play with 1 or 2 discs.

I played my local course yesterday with 3 wizards and shot a 4 under. Thats what I usually shoot with all my discs!!

Try the wizard. Its mold is very similar (if not identically) to that of a KC/big bead dx Aviar but the plastic grippier. They tend to take damage early but after the first beating period they seem to take almost no damage. Of course this could be from the fact that when I first switched I had to adjust and now all I do is hit chains. :D



Another difference is that the flight plate is thinner. More weight is distributed to the rim. This disc flies further than the Aviar! :D


Interesting ............may have to check that out.



300'!!!!!!! :D


You threw a wizard 300 feet ?



No, I throw (present tense) a Wizard 300'. I have thrown it much further but that is what I can do almost everyday.



I have thrown them 300' too. I can only throw them about 250' on a regular basis, but they are great! It's fun to play with 1 or 2 discs.

I played my local course yesterday with 3 wizards and shot a 4 under. Thats what I usually shoot with all my discs!!



By the way, THAT IS A SHIZZLE-LOAD OF QUOTES!!!!!

[dannyreeves]

Try the wizard. Its mold is very similar (if not identically) to that of a KC/big bead dx Aviar but the plastic grippier. They tend to take damage early but after the first beating period they seem to take almost no damage. Of course this could be from the fact that when I first switched I had to adjust and now all I do is hit chains. :D



Another difference is that the flight plate is thinner. More weight is distributed to the rim. This disc flies further than the Aviar! :D


Interesting ............may have to check that out.



300'!!!!!!! :D


You threw a wizard 300 feet ?



No, I throw (present tense) a Wizard 300'. I have thrown it much further but that is what I can do almost everyday.



I have thrown them 300' too. I can only throw them about 250' on a regular basis, but they are great! It's fun to play with 1 or 2 discs.

I played my local course yesterday with 3 wizards and shot a 4 under. Thats what I usually shoot with all my discs!!



Sweet!

[dannyreeves]

Try the wizard. Its mold is very similar (if not identically) to that of a KC/big bead dx Aviar but the plastic grippier. They tend to take damage early but after the first beating period they seem to take almost no damage. Of course this could be from the fact that when I first switched I had to adjust and now all I do is hit chains. :D



Another difference is that the flight plate is thinner. More weight is distributed to the rim. This disc flies further than the Aviar! :D


Interesting ............may have to check that out.



300'!!!!!!! :D


You threw a wizard 300 feet ?



No, I throw (present tense) a Wizard 300'. I have thrown it much further but that is what I can do almost everyday.



I have thrown them 300' too. I can only throw them about 250' on a regular basis, but they are great! It's fun to play with 1 or 2 discs.

I played my local course yesterday with 3 wizards and shot a 4 under. Thats what I usually shoot with all my discs!!



By the way, THAT IS A SHIZZLE-LOAD OF QUOTES!!!!!



Yes it is! :D

Try the wizard. Its mold is very similar (if not identically) to that of a KC/big bead dx Aviar but the plastic grippier. They tend to take damage early but after the first beating period they seem to take almost no damage. Of course this could be from the fact that when I first switched I had to adjust and now all I do is hit chains. :D



Another difference is that the flight plate is thinner. More weight is distributed to the rim. This disc flies further than the Aviar! :D


Interesting ............may have to check that out.



300'!!!!!!! :D


You threw a wizard 300 feet ?



No, I throw (present tense) a Wizard 300'. I have thrown it much further but that is what I can do almost everyday.



I have thrown them 300' too. I can only throw them about 250' on a regular basis, but they are great! It's fun to play with 1 or 2 discs.

I played my local course yesterday with 3 wizards and shot a 4 under. Thats what I usually shoot with all my discs!!



By the way, THAT IS A SHIZZLE-LOAD OF QUOTES!!!!!



Yes it is! :D


lets see how long we can make it!

Try the wizard. Its mold is very similar (if not identically) to that of a KC/big bead dx Aviar but the plastic grippier. They tend to take damage early but after the first beating period they seem to take almost no damage. Of course this could be from the fact that when I first switched I had to adjust and now all I do is hit chains. :D



Another difference is that the flight plate is thinner. More weight is distributed to the rim. This disc flies further than the Aviar! :D


Interesting ............may have to check that out.



300'!!!!!!! :D


You threw a wizard 300 feet ?



No, I throw (present tense) a Wizard 300'. I have thrown it much further but that is what I can do almost everyday.



I have thrown them 300' too. I can only throw them about 250' on a regular basis, but they are great! It's fun to play with 1 or 2 discs.

I played my local course yesterday with 3 wizards and shot a 4 under. Thats what I usually shoot with all my discs!!



By the way, THAT IS A SHIZZLE-LOAD OF QUOTES!!!!!



Yes it is! :D


lets see how long we can make it!



a little longer....

Try the wizard. Its mold is very similar (if not identically) to that of a KC/big bead dx Aviar but the plastic grippier. They tend to take damage early but after the first beating period they seem to take almost no damage. Of course this could be from the fact that when I first switched I had to adjust and now all I do is hit chains. :D



Another difference is that the flight plate is thinner. More weight is distributed to the rim. This disc flies further than the Aviar! :D


Interesting ............may have to check that out.



300'!!!!!!! :D


You threw a wizard 300 feet ?



No, I throw (present tense) a Wizard 300'. I have thrown it much further but that is what I can do almost everyday.



I have thrown them 300' too. I can only throw them about 250' on a regular basis, but they are great! It's fun to play with 1 or 2 discs.

I played my local course yesterday with 3 wizards and shot a 4 under. Thats what I usually shoot with all my discs!!



By the way, THAT IS A SHIZZLE-LOAD OF QUOTES!!!!!



Yes it is! :D


lets see how long we can make it!



a little longer....



just a weeee bit further!

Try the wizard. Its mold is very similar (if not identically) to that of a KC/big bead dx Aviar but the plastic grippier. They tend to take damage early but after the first beating period they seem to take almost no damage. Of course this could be from the fact that when I first switched I had to adjust and now all I do is hit chains. :D



Another difference is that the flight plate is thinner. More weight is distributed to the rim. This disc flies further than the Aviar! :D


Interesting ............may have to check that out.



300'!!!!!!! :D


You threw a wizard 300 feet ?



No, I throw (present tense) a Wizard 300'. I have thrown it much further but that is what I can do almost everyday.



I have thrown them 300' too. I can only throw them about 250' on a regular basis, but they are great! It's fun to play with 1 or 2 discs.

I played my local course yesterday with 3 wizards and shot a 4 under. Thats what I usually shoot with all my discs!!



By the way, THAT IS A SHIZZLE-LOAD OF QUOTES!!!!!



Yes it is! :D


lets see how long we can make it!



a little longer....



just a weeee bit further!




look how skinny it gets!!

Try the wizard. Its mold is very similar (if not identically) to that of a KC/big bead dx Aviar but the plastic grippier. They tend to take damage early but after the first beating period they seem to take almost no damage. Of course this could be from the fact that when I first switched I had to adjust and now all I do is hit chains. :D



Another difference is that the flight plate is thinner. More weight is distributed to the rim. This disc flies further than the Aviar! :D


Interesting ............may have to check that out.



300'!!!!!!! :D


You threw a wizard 300 feet ?



No, I throw (present tense) a Wizard 300'. I have thrown it much further but that is what I can do almost everyday.



I have thrown them 300' too. I can only throw them about 250' on a regular basis, but they are great! It's fun to play with 1 or 2 discs.

I played my local course yesterday with 3 wizards and shot a 4 under. Thats what I usually shoot with all my discs!!



By the way, THAT IS A SHIZZLE-LOAD OF QUOTES!!!!!



Yes it is! :D


lets see how long we can make it!



a little longer....



just a weeee bit further!




look how skinny it gets!!



AND LONG!!

Try the wizard. Its mold is very similar (if not identically) to that of a KC/big bead dx Aviar but the plastic grippier. They tend to take damage early but after the first beating period they seem to take almost no damage. Of course this could be from the fact that when I first switched I had to adjust and now all I do is hit chains. :D



Another difference is that the flight plate is thinner. More weight is distributed to the rim. This disc flies further than the Aviar! :D


Interesting ............may have to check that out.



300'!!!!!!! :D


You threw a wizard 300 feet ?



No, I throw (present tense) a Wizard 300'. I have thrown it much further but that is what I can do almost everyday.



I have thrown them 300' too. I can only throw them about 250' on a regular basis, but they are great! It's fun to play with 1 or 2 discs.

I played my local course yesterday with 3 wizards and shot a 4 under. Thats what I usually shoot with all my discs!!



By the way, THAT IS A SHIZZLE-LOAD OF QUOTES!!!!!



Yes it is! :D


lets see how long we can make it!



a little longer....



just a weeee bit further!




look how skinny it gets!!



AND LONG!!




ok i think its just getting wider now...oh well...it was fun! :cool:

[dannyreeves]

Try the wizard. Its mold is very similar (if not identically) to that of a KC/big bead dx Aviar but the plastic grippier. They tend to take damage early but after the first beating period they seem to take almost no damage. Of course this could be from the fact that when I first switched I had to adjust and now all I do is hit chains. :D



Another difference is that the flight plate is thinner. More weight is distributed to the rim. This disc flies further than the Aviar! :D


Interesting ............may have to check that out.



300'!!!!!!! :D


You threw a wizard 300 feet ?



No, I throw (present tense) a Wizard 300'. I have thrown it much further but that is what I can do almost everyday.



I have thrown them 300' too. I can only throw them about 250' on a regular basis, but they are great! It's fun to play with 1 or 2 discs.

I played my local course yesterday with 3 wizards and shot a 4 under. Thats what I usually shoot with all my discs!!



By the way, THAT IS A SHIZZLE-LOAD OF QUOTES!!!!!



Yes it is! :D


lets see how long we can make it!



a little longer....



just a weeee bit further!




look how skinny it gets!!



AND LONG!!



Graham, I think boredom is a disease. ;)

Try the wizard. Its mold is very similar (if not identically) to that of a KC/big bead dx Aviar but the plastic grippier. They tend to take damage early but after the first beating period they seem to take almost no damage. Of course this could be from the fact that when I first switched I had to adjust and now all I do is hit chains. :D



Another difference is that the flight plate is thinner. More weight is distributed to the rim. This disc flies further than the Aviar! :D


Interesting ............may have to check that out.



300'!!!!!!! :D


You threw a wizard 300 feet ?



No, I throw (present tense) a Wizard 300'. I have thrown it much further but that is what I can do almost everyday.



I have thrown them 300' too. I can only throw them about 250' on a regular basis, but they are great! It's fun to play with 1 or 2 discs.

I played my local course yesterday with 3 wizards and shot a 4 under. Thats what I usually shoot with all my discs!!



By the way, THAT IS A SHIZZLE-LOAD OF QUOTES!!!!!



Yes it is! :D


lets see how long we can make it!



a little longer....



just a weeee bit further!




look how skinny it gets!!



AND LONG!!



Graham, I think boredom is a disease. ;)




That or stupidity...

I have a Aviar
Birdie
Rhyno
I want an XD but i would have to say my favorite is the birdie

just got my new first run pro aviar. needless to say its sweet

What do you people think of the XD, i threw one for a round yesterday and loved it. Does innova still make these putters?

Its a great disc. It has the bottom of the P&A Aviar, with a flatter top like a spider. Its still in production.

[williethekid]

What do people think of the wizard, either the G9i, the soft, or firm wizards, and also how do they compare to chiefs? Finally, whats the diff between a wizard and an aviar?

[dannyreeves]

Wizards:
Soft
Medium
Firm (G9i)
H
Evolution


I use a soft for putting and a medium for upshots and some windy putts. The softs feel great in the hand (not really soft, just tacky) but beat up too fast to throw upshots. That is why I like the mediums.

The Chief is now called the H Wizard. It is a Wizard with the H plastic. Feels very similar to a Pro Aviar.

The Wizard is very slightly more overstable than an Aviar and for me, will fly a lot further. I also prefer the plastic of the Wizard to the Aviar. Just a preference thing really.

They are both wonderful discs.

[shanest]

I love my Rhynos (Aviars for long approaches), but I think that once my game settles down, I may try out a Wizard since I've never heard anyone say anything bad about the disc. If I were to buy one plastic, which should it be?

[dannyreeves]

medium. That is the most common. Get that one and you can always go softer or harder to meet your preference.

[shanest]

Alright, I might consider it later on.

The thread is back to normal width!

Alright, I might consider it later on.

The thread is back to normal width!



Here we go again! :cool:

by the way, I'm experimenting with the swirl APX and Aviar P&A. Fun stuff. They are really similar.

[dannyreeves]

Alright, I might consider it later on.

The thread is back to normal width!



Do it NOW!!! hehe j/k

[williethekid]

I normally throw a 4x(not the mistake mold) jk aviar, does the soft wizard have the same soft plastic?

[dannyreeves]

I don't know. I never threw the JK Aviars. How soft is it?

The soft Wizards are not squishy like Omega Supersofts. They are more tacky and after a couple weeks will season to be a little bit softer.

Orange Soft Magnet

White Soft Magnet

[hawkgammon]

Aviars. Lots of them. :D

Is the new super soft wizard more similar to the soft magnet, Aviar X, Swirl APX, DX Aviar putter? WE NEED DETAILS MAN.....DETAILS!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

...and while you are answering the above question please also let me know which wizard (firm, medium, or hard) is the one that resembles the stiffness of a big bead driver aviar.

The new soft wizards still have a fairly firm rim compared to an omega or jk but the flight plate is comparable. The medium wizard is closest to the aviar driver, but with a chalkier feel. It will also retain flight characteristics for a longer time. The hard wizard is the hardest putter on the market and is my favorite for drives, partly because it is **** near indestructable for regular plastic.

3x Aviar-X
First Run Pro Line Aviar
QOmega
E-Wizard
Classic Roc

Oh I love my putters

[Dana]

147 magnet

if anyone has any light putters that they dont use and just have stting around i'd love to get (buy/trade) them off ya!
pm me
:cool:

[vwkeepontruckin]

The new soft wizards still have a fairly firm rim compared to an omega or jk but the flight plate is comparable. The medium wizard is closest to the aviar driver, but with a chalkier feel. It will also retain flight characteristics for a longer time. The hard wizard is the hardest putter on the market and is my favorite for drives, partly because it is **** near indestructable for regular plastic.



Also, the E Wizard in heavy weights is really stable for a putter, and makes 300' drives look easy. Plus, its the most durable plastic around!!

I know of a guy who can throw his Wizard a mile. Also, Challengers are great midrange drivers. Imagine a fatter wasp with more glide.

i have a 170g Photosun Challenger

and a 175 tye dye sweet lookin Rhyno

By the way...... the quotes were lots of fun guys!!! :p

[vwkeepontruckin]

I know of a guy who can throw his Wizard a mile. Also, Challengers are great midrange drivers. Imagine a fatter wasp with more glide.



The new G7i Element (Due out early this summer :D) is going to be a shallower, thinner Wizard. Personally, I think its going to be like a more stable, beaded XD. Sounds sweet doesn't it? I'v been drooling since Dave told me about it!!

[DiscGolfTool]

Also, the E Wizard in heavy weights is really stable for a putter, and makes 300' drives look easy. Plus, its the most durable plastic around!!

[/QUOTE]

Is the E Wizard as hard and firm as the Firm Wizard?
I tried the Firm and didn't like it at all, my KC and JK Aviars fly better, but I am going to try the Med. and possibly the E if it is softer...
Thanks,
Matt

[vwkeepontruckin]

Also, the E Wizard in heavy weights is really stable for a putter, and makes 300' drives look easy. Plus, its the most durable plastic around!!



Is the E Wizard as hard and firm as the Firm Wizard?
I tried the Firm and didn't like it at all, my KC and JK Aviars fly better, but I am going to try the Med. and possibly the E if it is softer...
Thanks,
Matt

[/QUOTE]

I would have to say softer. More flexible, similar to the "H" plastic (Like a more stable Chief)

I like S wizards best for driving! E wizards are good too, but the ones I've had are much more domey than even chiefs. They are still really stable, and really grippy, and really floaty. They are also really durrable, but so are S. You cant really go wrong.

I recently figured out how to throw my challengers for distance, and I now have a new respect for the Wizard. It really is the best all around putter out there!

I can't tell the difference between A, B, C whatever Wizards.

I have two 174 Firm Wizards, one new one slightly worn in for 250- drives and approaches. Also have a 173 Soft Wizard for putts for the 35' and less range

Wizards for approaches around 200 and in = money.

[quickdisc]

Wizards for approaches around 200 and in = money.


I have been using a beat wippet x.

[Chris Hysell]

Approaches from 200ft and in? Why not just putt from that close?

[quickdisc]

Approaches from 200ft and in? Why not just putt from that close?


I agree..............if it's off the Tee , it's a putt. It is kind'a hard for myself though to straddle putt from 200 :eek: :D

[vwkeepontruckin]

Approaches from 200ft and in? Why not just putt from that close?


I agree..............if it's off the Tee , it's a putt. It is kind'a hard for myself though to straddle putt from 200 :eek: :D



200' putts. Really. OK...

[vwkeepontruckin]

For me, from this distance I am better off treating it as a short apporach with a Wizard than squaring for a putt. Do you guys really putt from 200'? Must be really wide oped putts...

[Chris Hysell]

200ft is a stretch to putt. If it is 200ft with a slight downhill, I will putt it or maybe puttjump it. I staddle putt to about 120ft. I am talking a serious putt, not throwing a backhand with a putter and calling it a putt. If I could throw twice as far as I can putt, I would be The Man.

[vwkeepontruckin]

200ft is a stretch to putt. If it is 200ft with a slight downhill, I will putt it or maybe puttjump it. I staddle putt to about 120ft. I am talking a serious putt, not throwing a backhand with a putter and calling it a putt. If I could throw twice as far as I can putt, I would be The Man.



I gotcha.

[klemrock]

Aviars (95%) and Supersoft Wizards (5%)

i know they're supposedly not the same mold, but dang, those new ssWizards fly just like aviars, but feel <font color="purple"> fluffy </font>

[quickdisc]

Aviars (95%) and Supersoft Wizards (5%)

i know they're supposedly not the same mold, but dang, those new ssWizards fly just like aviars, but feel <font color="purple"> fluffy </font>


Can you elaborate a little on how "Fluffy".

[vwkeepontruckin]

Aviars (95%) and Supersoft Wizards (5%)

i know they're supposedly not the same mold, but dang, those new ssWizards fly just like aviars, but feel <font color="purple"> fluffy </font>


Can you elaborate a little on how "Fluffy".



Picture a beaded more stable SS Omega. I don't personally like a really soft putter, but I know a lot of Omega fans that like the SS Wizard.

[quickdisc]

Aviars (95%) and Supersoft Wizards (5%)

i know they're supposedly not the same mold, but dang, those new ssWizards fly just like aviars, but feel <font color="purple"> fluffy </font>


Can you elaborate a little on how "Fluffy".



Picture a beaded more stable SS Omega. I don't personally like a really soft putter, but I know a lot of Omega fans that like the SS Wizard.


Whoa ..........as soft as a Omega Super Soft ?
Or the Omega Upshot /Putter ?

I just recently picked up a Wizard, and I really like it. Although I must say, challengers' have been my main putter now for a while. Ever since I placed really well in a local tournament, I've been using one confidently. The wizard is nice, but doesn't really feel as stable as my Challenger, and I'm kinda used to putting off to the right side of the chains for long putts, and letting the challenger do it's job.

[mikeP]

Wizards are great. I think that they have been made in about 10 different styles...Right now in my bag I have one "S" medium wizard 172g for putts and approaches up to 150' (this disc is super grippy and I can feel my thumb and forefinger through the fligh plate) and another I use for a driver. My driver Wizard is 173g and is pretty stiff, but not the same as the really hard Wizards. It is purple with a picture of a Wizard on it and is kind of a waxy texture. This disc is dead straight up to 250' and kind be thrown further on a high turnover or high hyzer line. These two discs are very different, but both sweet.

[veganray]

3x JK Aviar (supersoft) is money for me for any length/release angle of putt. When I'm feeling cheeky, though, I'll also sometimes whip out the ancient 150g supersoft Polecat for long downwind & uphill jump-putts.

[spartan]

two 1.6 omega aps - white w/ blue foil print

[vwkeepontruckin]

Currently, I have 5 different Wizards in the bag. All same mold, all different discs:

Soft Wizard: Putting
"H" Wizard (Formerly the Chief) : Approaches and Jump putts
G9i: Beat to hell for turnovers
Firm Wizard: Tee Shots that need to end straight 200'ish
"E" Wizard: 250'+ tee shots that actually hyzer!

The "E"volution Wizard is by far the most stable putter ever made!!

[cbdiscpimp]

I carry 4 Challengers in my Bag.

1 beat Cam Todd for Putting and Turnover DRIVES that need to keep turning over.
1 Brand New Cam Todd for Putting and straight shots inside 250.
1 Green Crystal Z Challenger for straight shots and hyzers inside 320.
1 Red Crystal Z Challenger for S Shots Hyzers and Spike Hyzers inside 320.


The "E"volution Wizard is by far the most stable putter ever made!!



I would have to dissagree with that and say the Crystal Z Challeger is the most STABLE maybe even OVERSTABLE putter EVER MADE :D

[dannyreeves]

Have you thrown the Evolution Wizard? Do you have any idea what you are talking about?