Aerobie EPIC

I bought one of these at the Am Worlds and have created some strange flight patterns with this thing. Just wanted to see if anyone has had similar results or just wants to comment about the new Aerobie discs.
Thumber= 1 or 2 corkscrews and then flies a turnover path
Forehand= almost flips completely over
Anhyzer= turns and flies for only so long and the just hyzers immediately

Seems to be the fastest disc ever made with no glide.

[klemrock]

I was wondering if the asymmetrical bottom affected the glide....
So, does the velocity alone account for the allegedly greater distance one can achieve?

I like the Epic so far. It works well when throwing downhill and you don't want your disc to carry too far. There is no float with this disc at all. I also like the way the T-hawks land ... less chance of a roll away on fast greens. I also get good FH flicks - just 'flick' it, don't throw it.

It feels like a ton of bricks coming out of the hand and then takes off like a rocket. I haven't been able to get consistant with it, but threw a few drives at Round Lake farther than I ever have before there. However, if I can't figure out how to control it, its not going to work very well for me. I'm going to work on it more tonight. The makers say that the asymmetrical bottom allows them to have a wider bottom plate but still allow a user to have a reasonably sized grip area. By making this surface larger, they say it increases the distance.

Well, I'm getting about 15 to 20 feet more with the Epic than with my good throws with the Wildcat in an open field. I'm not a very long distance thrower, so this might not reflect what others can do with it. I'm starting to be able to throw the Wildcats just over 300 feet, so the Epic was going around 320 feet. However, my best throws with the Epic did not FEEL like good throws and they didn't look like good throws. Perhaps that's because I'm not getting any glide and perhaps one doesn't get glide with the Epic.

I was able to control the Epic much better tonight and I continue to tune it. It is such a weird disc and so strange feeling that I'm not getting bored throwing it in the field. For that reason, it makes a good trainer for me. I take a few Wildcats and the Epic out to the field and throw 'em all, go collect them, repeat.

[dannyreeves]

This thing looks like a major gimmick to me. Worst golf disc I have ever thrown. You never know where it will go.

[neonnoodle]

You obviously have never thrown a dimple or phlazer then. /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

I've had a chance to throw it a couple of times and I think it has potential but at this point is too unpredictable as Danny rightly points out. It's great that you can adjust it, but in the middle of a round you really don't have time to test it and get it to fly in an expected manner. You just want it to work.

I'm pretty confident that they will get it right, but they can't just expect disc golfers to become masters of the grip and bend before every throw. They have to work at creating a more consistant flyer.

To the creators, take the criticism here with a grain or two of salt. Disc Golfers, though labelled alternative life-style folk, are really among the most conservative, stick in the mud, fight change folk you're likely to meet. But make a product that works consistantly and offers a unique and beneficial edge in their game and you will be successful in breaking into the market.

I wish you luck, as I do all disc golf innovators.

[xterramatt]

What's the deal with the Arrow? I have only gotten it to go straight when throwing it max speed. It's almost impossible to putt this thing straight. maybe it's my technique, it always hyzers out, not like a regular disc, it stays somewhat level, but it turns just like a regular putter. Anyone actually get this thing to putt straight?

Oh yeah, they both float, and I think water changed the color of my Arrow. I left it in the SkillShot and looked out in the morning to a sprinkler chugging away right at the base of it. The Arrow had a shade of brown when I got it to go play on the beach.

I have had the same experience with the Arrow as Matt had. When thrown hard, it goes very straight. Otherwise it just seems to bend left. The only thing it seems good for is winning 1000's of dollars on Ace Pots /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

[jefferson]

i threw the epic in a field right after i got it. i would snap it pretty hard close to level and if it flattened out, it would go about 375, 380. if it got bent at all, i would snap it and it would turn into the fastest roller ever moving perpendicular from my local about 350.

conclusion: this disc is WAY to inconsistent to be used as a normal backhand driver.

I just recieved both the epic and arrow in the mail today and took them both to a big field with football fields. First off, I am relatively new to the game having been playing for about a year and a half now. I can consistently throw my best drivers in the 350 to 370 range.

First off, I found the epic's rim, even on the narrowest portion, to be a little large. The disc seemed quite understable, so I tried to correct for it. On my best drives, the distance was only minimally longer, not worth the sacrafice of inconsistant accuracy. It often would S out nicely, but fade hard in the last 10 to 20% of it's flight. It is a very fast disc though. I have to say I can't really find a spot in my bag for it, seeing how the D isn't much greater than my usual discs.

I found the arrow to be a very useful disc, at least as an approach disc. I didn't have time to hit up a practice basket, so I couldn't test it out as a putter. On shots within 100ft, it was strait as, well, an arrow if enough snap was put on it. It also had a nice slow fade at the end if put too high, which I tend to do, whereas my other midranger, a shark, would be 5 to 6ft off when thrown on the same line.

Hope this helps, and keep in mind I'm still green so these discs could do something different for a more experienced player.

I birdied a 360 foot hole today with a 15 foot putt. The big arm with me who normally drives 360 and beyond thought that the sign was fairly accurate. That's huge for me and it was the first throw with the Epic that felt like a good throw. Before tonight I thought that if I lose it, I won't replace it. Now its auditioning for a leading role in my bag.

[rtinsa]

Danny you left to early man....E-mail me.!!!

After Worlds was over, at WyCo, I was throwing thumbers with the Epic to show the Japan players what this disc did. A few folks were also watching and it is being guessed that the toss flew around 460-480 feet. (from just shy of the pavilion to within 25 of hole 8)

It is on video.

Anyone know how to get a hold of the Japanese players that filmed this?? I would like to get a copy. It's gotta be somewhere.

Thanks
Tony

[circle_2]

DM, are you referring to the pavillion closest to the 'dg' parking area and across the street (kinda caddy-cornered)from the tennis courts?? THAT IS a long way, no doubt!! Here in Lawrence we've got a 6'7" thumbing phenomenon that deserves an Epic to try!!
DOC~N
ps Tell Tim Ogden, "Hey!" for me...

The one and the same. Where the great lunches (thank you staff) and the scorecards were. Would love to get an exact distance of the throw.

At 6'7" he should have no prob getting 5-6-700'? He's got me by half a foot in height.

I coulda won the distance comp with an overhead-thumber Epic!

btw, anyone know which course the player shooting a 1 down at WyCo was playing (7th round). Short tees maybe?? NO ONE else in the fifties?!?! Hats off to that competitor!!

Tony

I'm curious--I threw the Epic for the first time last night and was very much impressed. There have been a lot of people on here saying that the Epic wasn't very predictable. I really have to disagree. For pure distance, this disc is it. With a slight hyzer, I was getting a really, really nice S-curve and getting near 440' last night before our local leagues. This is ~20-30' further than my beloved z-wildcats. This wasn't just once, but on several repeated occasions. Has anyone else found this to be true?

Daniel

[gnduke]

I have found it to be longer and very predictable once tuned for the speed of your throw. It does appear to beat up quickly, but I haven't found the edge abrasions to change the flight characteristics that much.

The hard part to get used to is the 40'-50' left turn at the end of a 15' high line drive throw. Once you get used to that, you can drop it pretty much exactly where you want it (as long as where you want it is a long way away).

I find it's inconsistancy to be predictable /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

It will be in my bag at the WVO#10.

I personally enjoy it as an overhead thumber and that's it. Works great on, let's see, hole 18 at Prairie Center in Olathe. Takes the trees right out of the picture.

Right now I'm trying to figure out how to control it, after the initial corkscrew, so it flies to the right, left or straight. Right now it seems to be rather random. When I do hit the 'flatline' after the corkscrew...it's GONE!

Tony

I'm no longer able to play with mine. It grew legs and walked off while I was letting everyone play with it at LOSO. /msgboard/images/clipart/sad.gif

I don't think too much of folks who snag other peoples discs. I do, however, think a lot of karma. /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

[seewhere]

HMM so it appears that multiple discs where STOLEN in Live oak..

[gnduke]

Mark, please bring your arrow to Waco.
I need to make some comparison throws with the one I got from Worlds.

Have to agree with most everyone on the epic, long but unpredictable at first, however once tuned to a persons individual throw I think it is a good weapon to have in your arsenal.

As for the Arrow I can only say $2768.00 baby
I love it, straight, predictable, smooth release.
Sweet Disc, and not just because I hit the ace with it.

Just got hold of a couple arrows. They are curious in that you can throw them smooth and easy with good snap to all out URGGH!...with good snap and they fly straight (not far). Putting? well, they hyzer huge with the slow spin of a putt. I was actually hoping they would have the same fight as the 'jelly disc" which is straight with a nice putt stroke. Also have to get used to the odd feeling rim. Didn't have any trouble with release when thrown, just when putting.

Oh yeah, wicked parachute disc. Throw hard flat and high and it will pull an "army ranger" act right to the pin (assuming an accurate throw...).

Will be curious to toss an Epic. Still working on this Arrow though. Fun disc.

I did not see the huge hyzer with mine on sunday. You guy's might be right though I did'nt get to throw mine for more than the day(it is forever on the wall now of course)but it went straight everytime I threw it.

[underparmike]

i don't particularly care for the arrow. as a putter it always went very short of the basket for me, perhaps if i was to putt harder it would be better. as an approach it also landed very short of the targets.

the epic seems to have more potential. first of all it is the most accurate tomahawk disc ever. seems to drop straight and i mean straight down at the end of a tomahawk flight, often bouncing off the top of the basket.
the epic does seem to be longer than beasts or wildcats, and i actually like the funny rim, you can grab it where the rim size fits your hand the best. i have not been able to get it to fly predictably yet at all though.

Not sure how you're throwing the tommy but when thrown, it definately corkskrews first and then glides flat, either right, left or straight.

Not once have I had it act like any other tommy/thumber (half flip and straight knife flight down).

Hmmmm....

[underparmike]

i throw a one-finger tomahawk with low speed. i have considered putting the epic in my bag just for the tomahawk accuracy.

Discmonkey, You can reach the Japanese players at www.domooregatomrroboto.com (http://www.domooregatomrroboto.com)!/clipart/happy.gif "meister"

It didn't pull up for me. Is it spelled right??

LOL!!!!

[playtowin]

to all of you (which is everyone I've talkee to) who are giving Matt Wiengburg a hard time for hitting the ace, kiss his ace! you are jealous and bitter, get over it

Don't you think that last post of yours was just a tad rude and uncalled for?

Unfortunately I'd say it's 'par for the course'.

[morgan]

A fa<FONT SIZE=" 0">g</FONT> is just a cigarette. What's wrong with that?

Morgan tell me your kidding right.. While true the way in which the term was used I have a hard time believeing the reference was to cigarettes...

[morgan]

The people were giving Matt Wiengburg a hard time for hitting the ace, so "ticket head" told them they were just jealous and bitter. In the next post he told them to smoke cigarettes. That's why he said "fags." In other words, go get your fags and light up to chill out and not be jealous and bitter.

David not Dave, somebody pee in your Wheaties lately?

The Arrow seems to have some actual disc golf merit, unlike its driver counterpart. While the Epic is, at best, entertaining, the Arrow looks like it could be very useful. Its really straight and holds up well to a good hard throw. I've had several folks throwing mine around lately that have enjoyed it and a few have even requested that I stock some.

I decided to toss it around a bit myself with a more open mind than I had when I first laid eyes on the Epic, and I find that when I have time to work in something new it could be helpful for those 150'-200' shots that I throw a putter on.

I would probably like it a little heavier, but the 167-169 that I have seems to do the job pretty well.

[playtowin]

take it anyway ya like, my point is, once again, that EVERYONE I've talked to seemed to have something negative to say about the guy. Why not be happy for him, and the three guys who were gladly given $100.00 each for watching him do it. Or be happy that the guy who (finally) hit it left $100.00 in the pot! To those who were trash talking him, and then enjoying the free "pops" after the tourney, you are definately "another word for cigarette"


ps - my wheaties did taste kinda funny that day!

Morgan, from his first post the last line reads

"you are jealous and bitter, get over it"

with the wording and no punctuation that statement is left very open ended and with his next post simply saying

"fags!"

well that to me read as a continuation of the previous post, with the ending punctuation and all. If he meant as you suggest

"go get your fags and light up to chill out and not be jealous and bitter."

then thats what he should have said or something a little more definitive.

[morgan]

Fa<FONT SIZE=" 0">g</FONT>

need a light?

[seewhere]

hey FAGS get back on TOPIC. which I beleive is the EPIC. thanks /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

[klemrock]

I think the Epic and Arrow will be huge sellers for a short time.
But not for me. when throwing these two discs, I had to change my grip completely. unless I throw with only these two discs, it will throw off my regular grip and release.
The Epic will increase distance, but accuracy will take a long time to perfect for the less-than-Pro-player. The Arrow must be thrown like a bullet in order to go straight. At slow speeds, it acts very overstable, although it looks like it should be only stable.
Seeing these new changes kinda makes me want to get a degree in aerodynamics, though.

Got'em.
Threw'em.
Threw'em again and again and again and again and again.
Not the magical weapons I'd hoped for.
Not for me.

Any Austinite want them call me at 417-7946.
I'll sell them for what I paid for them or trade.

Since I like the Arrow and someone walked off with my Epic at LOSO, I'll trade you something for 'em, Todd.

I had to give the Epic a chance, so I introduced to my crushing forehand...This is when the laughing began--This disc came out of my hand perfectly flat about 3 feet high, flew approx. 80ft, went into a barrel roll for approx.60 ft and upon coming out of the roll returned to it's original line for about another 180 feet....It was the sickest thing I have ever seen a disc do. I don't know about this disc as a regular driver (although great for thumbers/tommys)But I will definitely work with it to try to duplicate that maneuver.

[bigchiz]

I've thrown the Epic as a thumber a few times. It does a counter clockwise 270 barrel roll, then flattens out at the "canopy" altitude, and glides. This could be quite intersting if big arms can master this throw with strong and steady winds.

Mark,
What would you like to trade?

Email me, I've got just a few pieces of plastic laying around. /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

Few HUNDRED, that is......

/msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

[circle_2]

Is it just me, or are the 2 figures in the newest DGWN performing the same task in tuning the Epic driver? The disc is being tuned/bent in different directions (bending up then down [or vice-versa]), but the disc appears to be turned over resulting in the same tune...

[davidbihl]

be nice if we could use an aerobie flying ring to drive with, then I could throw reeaalll far! I dont know man, I have to look at the picture again.

David, if you want to play "ring golf", go for it, but this is disc golf.

Circle 2, I think it is an effect of the angled top surface on the epic. You could be right, though.

[circle_2]

If the disc is stamp-side up, I would presume that bending the edges up would promote more overstability(?)... I've done a little of this with a 160g gummy Beast. With the temp over 100 degrees and the comfort index of around 110 today, I'm feel like I'm tuning a gelatinous Beast!! /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

Look for the epic at your local state championships. I throw a ce firebird thumber about 275 max. With the epic I have thrown 325 and I have only had it for 3 days. The arrow is undisputedly the straightest flying mid range consistantly. The best part about the arrow is you can't over throw your target. These disc's are already being mastered by 13-16 year old's. In 1-2 year's of using them they will have one of the strongest throws and will be able to accuretlly throw any overstable driver and understable mid-range. Get the two discs in your bag and practice. They are useful for the un-traditional shots.

The Epic is one strange disc. Understable at high speed, and extremely overstable at low. Absolutely zero glide. Thrown medium-hard it starts to roll right, and looks like it's going to be a nice S shot, but when it comes back, it just falls off and hits the ground almost vertical. This was normal RHBH throws.

I've heard others besides Zach comment on the barrel roll when thrown forehand.

I agree with Jim...but, I disagree with the glide factor, at least when thrown Thumber overhand. Once it stops the 'barrel-roll' rotation and hits level again...it just glides and glides and gli......
still trying to get over 500 with it. soon.

As far as backhand...not impressed. Too unpredictable. Maybe with time but for now...thumbers!

Keep 'Em Flyin'!!=======o [>[]---
Tony

Here are my thoughts... I got the Epic a couple weeks ago, more out of curiousity than anything else. I normally throw forehand and the second I let go of the disc it immediately turned over to the right. Ran over, threw it again, this time backhand with the same result except flipped over to the left. Then I bent it like it says to on the packaging and got a straighter throw, both forehand and backhand, nothing amazing though... and for how awkward it is to hold/throw the disc it's really not worth it. My girlfriend does have a better throw with this than the Z Xpress she normally uses, however. My biggest problem with learning how to throw this disc is that it's different every single time. I'm not sure if I need to bend it before each throw, or if one bend will produce the same results for several throws, etc... I'm not giving up on it, just yet, but I can't say my first impression was favorable.

A couple days ago curiousity, again, got the best of me and I bought the Arrow. Gripping this thing is even more awkward than the Epic and for the life of me I can't see to find a way to comfortable throw it backhand, which isn't really a bother since I throw all my approach shots forehand with very good accuracy. This disc does fly very straight, but you have to put a good deal of strength into the shot or else it'll wobble around and curve off to the right. I can't reasonably see this being used for a putter either... Any shot I'd use this for I'd be more comfortable tossing a CE Spider, CE Aero, Z MRV, or Z Putt'r, or using my beat to hell 180 standard plastic Shark for a lay up.

On a side note, the store I bought the Arrow from had it sitting in their window... the parts of the disc that are exposed from the packaging faded to this incredibly ugly dishwater-like color.

Bought it for fun, that it was...I get 20-40 ft. more than what I usually throw (TeeBird), but it is still too unpredictable and not as trustworthy or accurate. It's good for "D" though I'm not sure if I want to compensate for accuracy??

It seems to me that if it's thrown with a loose grip it's easier to control??? any coments??

[neonnoodle]

I don't know if this has been mentioned on here yet, but at the Hound Dog Howler this weekend I saw what can only be described as the most amazing shot I have seen in over 10 years!

After rounds, using an Epic, Bobby Noble was throwing baseball throws close to 400 ft. That alone is not the amazing part. The drop jaw amazement came in the way the dang disc flew!

He would release the disc at 10/4 o'clock angle, standard baseball, and the disc would do it's normal, and expected, gyration, but when it came back to flat instead of spiking into the ground it would catch and fly flat for another 150 to 200 feet! CERTIFIABLY WHACKY!!! But certifiably cool. He did it like 20 times so it wasn’t a fluke. Without exception, the folks watching were awestruck.

Has anyone else seen this?

[tkieffer]

Saw an Epic do a barrel roll and come out with a glide more than once this weekend. The thrower was using an overhand thumber method. He mentioned that on one throw the disk did a double barrel roll, hit the ground in a forehand roller position and took off into the trees.

The throws I saw were wild to watch, but very unpredicatable as to where the disk was going to end up.

I tried throwing baseball/tomohawk style (two finger not thumber), and it didn't do anything exceptional for me. However, this throw is very weak throw for me. I throw backhand 450' easily, forhand maybe 300', and tomohawk about 180'. I believe I'm not getting enough on the disk in the overhand throw to do the crazy flight patterns other people are talking about.

Yeah - Nick - I showed bobby how to throw it like that (he picked it up really quick ) and I only figured it out the day before that, that thing could do that crazy flight.

Throw the Epic really hard - either completely verticle or even at 11 or 10 oclock (Tomohawk style obviously) - depending on how hard you can throw it - and watch the magic. The disc will flip up like a normal tomahawk (although it flips much faster)- and then the disc can either dive into an anhyser type of flight or if you are able to flip it more ---- it will take off straight - still with a lot of speed and much more distance attainable. We both threw a few at the cape that overshot holes by 100 plus feet.

It will take some practice to control it more, but......

It's so much fun throwing that thing!

[neonnoodle]

450 easily? Hah! You and Sam Ferrans... /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

I love it when folks say that sort of thing on here. My eyes just barrel roll.

If you really can, more power to you, my guess is that you would have trouble doing it 1 out of 10 times with a turnaround distance drive.

LOL! Thanks for the laugh though in any case.

Nicky, I really don't care whether or not you believe me. The point I was trying to make in my post was not bragging about my distance, but that I have no power on an overhand throw, and I can't make the Epic do those crazy flights that others are talking about.

However:
long drive competition at worlds (http://www.pdga.com/discus/messages/5547/10260.html?1060629131#POST188819)

That distance is in yards. I'll let you do the math.

That was the best of 5 throws. I can't remember for sure now, but I think a second throw was nearly as long, and at least one other was over 450'. And I don't do a turn-around; if I tried, I'd fall on my face, or throw it about 45 degrees off target.

Garbage!

[neonnoodle]

You guys aught to be shot. /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Isn't there low gravity in AZ?

oooooooooooooooo daaaaaaaaaaaggggggggg nick you faced yourself, i did the math and it turned out to be four hundred and eighty six feet!

nice throw jim

Not bad, but not good enough to compete with the big boys.

I'm hoping for 500', but I'd probably have to learn the 360 to do it, and that takes practice. I don't like to practice.

<FONT SIZE="-1">My roommate is still wondering what those strange chain-BBQs are doing in the back yard</FONT>

[20460chase]

Are they doing a long drive comp in Des Moines? Because id have intrest to see anyone throw 600ft. especially in thick hot humid summer air of Iowa and Illinois ,as i have NEVER seen it done not by top pros and not on flat ground without a roller.Ive seen some huge drives on hillside holes some hills steep some just inclined and those were maybe 550-600ft.It just seems all these long crushes have some kind of side remark,like lake bed bottom,30 m.p.h. wind, downhill,in thr desert.And it sure does seem everyone in Texas throws 500 ft drives with ROCs.

[chris]

I'll be doing the driving contest in Des Moines so you can come watch /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif There are plenty of pro's that can throw 550' in Iowa and Illinois humid air lol I'm from wisconsin and I've thrown over 550' in distance compition. I can think of 8 guys that can throw over 500' just in Wisconsin alone. Just watch Ken Jarvis throw, he can get 600' and it's really cool to watch too since he throws a huge sky anhyzer!
P.S. I've never seen or heard of anyone throwing roc's 500' I can get 375' if there's a nice tail wind /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

[neonnoodle]

I still have my doubts about Jim throwing "backhand 450' easily". Distance contests are one thing, playing disc golf another. In addition I thought the longest hole where he lives is something like 211' over gravel. /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Nick, you've never met me, you've never seen me throw, why do you doubt that I can throw 450'? Just 'cause my player rating is below 970 and I've never had a good showing at a major event I must not be able to throw far?

And yes, our weekly league is played from the short tees. Longest hole is 328'. The last two times I played it with only a putter (X-Challenger) and shot -14 both times.

Nick, anytime you come out west, let me know. I'd love to meet you and play a round together.

[neonnoodle]

Jim, we met at Tyler State Park in PA about 3 or 4 years ago at the Nut Buster Open. Don't you remember me? I was the really good looking guy.../msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

I have no doubt now, that you "can" throw over 450', it's the use of the word "easily" that leaves me skeptical. But if you can great. It's just that I've seen claims like that before here on the bored and later found that these guys are stretching to reach 350'. (Particularly Mr. Chicken Wing /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif )

I'm up for a round any time any where (well not Cape Henlopen in August...), I'm not sure when I'll ever be out that way though.

[rhett]

Don't foget that Phoenix (where Jim plays a lot of golf) is the land of the 375' hyzer shot, so he is actually being modest and only claiming 50 message-board-feet instead of the customary 100.

I have a hard time believing -14 on an 18 hole dinker course, though, because I've seen Jim struggle on the 180 foot hole 18 at Morley. /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

Nick, that would have been like August of 2000. And they changed the name to something more politically correct like Champions Cup because it was a supertour. Did we actually meet there? I'd forgotten that. Did we play together on the DFL card? I remember Joe Mela of course. There's no way I could throw 450' on any hole at that course, it was more wooded than the courses people were whining about at worlds this year.

Rhett, don't forget 15 at Morley. That one kills me too.

[neonnoodle]

Yeah, we broke bread together there for about 10 minutes with about 6 other people in the parking lot. We didn't really talk much. I remember your girlfriend(?) was the FW1 World Champ or something... right?

Girlfriend-at-the-time, yes. Her and I won Mixed Doubles together at worlds (as Ams) at the Pro/Am worlds in Michigan. Pretty good memory, Nick. I'm sorry I can't picture you.

Jen Ketz won Advanced Women that year (I had to look it up, I couldn't remember if it was her or Des).

[rshelt]

I've seen Jim throw 450'plus to many times, not to believe it. 450' is in his "wheelhouse", but he still has trouble beating my little 370' arm.

I've seen Dave Ludington throw a roc at least 500'. Some of you may not remember him, but those who do know him, know I'm not fibbing. I'll bet Jarvis could throw a roc 500 as well.

I'm up for a round any time any where.....Nick we're playing Snowbowl on saturday, I expect you to be there.....

The Midwest isn't all that limiting for distance... Worlds 2001 was in Minnesota, high 90's all week with 90% humidity. We had the distance comp in an open field at what I think was a high school. I was 23rd, and I had 3 over 400', best was 473', with maybe a 10mph breeze at the most. No 360 throws. And I'm only 5'9", without the Stretch Armstrong monkey arms most of the big boys have. ;)

On the Epic, it seems like the trick is to match the "tuning" to the speed of your throw. We experimented quite a bit with it at a tourney in Idaho Falls a few weeks ago-- I saw one throw at least 500' that looked like a pretty average delivery, no wind, slightly downhill; then I saw other "big arms" trying to tune it more overstable so they could throw it a lot harder... it didn't help. 450' or so was best. I think its best quality is that a smaller arm thrower can get better distance from a smooth, less powerful (and perfectly tuned) throw with the Epic than from most other discs... ? I DON'T think that it will ever break the big D record, though. It's just too twitchy.

[neonnoodle]

I'll be at Paw Paw, where REAL MEN PLAY. /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Bring it.

I'm sending my stand-in. Mike Milne.

[rshelt]

(with each other)

Go Arizona Mike! (Mildog still sounds better)

[neonnoodle]

I played with Mike at Calvert. Good arm. I think we tied. Seems like a nice guy, from his rating he should KMA, but we'll see...

[20460chase]

I was in Geneseo when you won{?}Chris and even played in the random on your card and yeah you crushed a few and there isnt many long ones but i dont recall any 500ft shots.Im not sayin that i dont beleve anyone.I just get tired of hearing people talk about throwing over 400ft easy.If your one of the fortunate that can pull it anytime i just hope your a pro,and you can putt or what good is it?Maybe ill just play open get DFL{which is way better than losing to a -------sandbaggin pro}and see them big dog drivers!

I was watching Rob and Bobby throw the amazing tomahwaks and like it's been said, they'd get the roll out of it covering a good 150-200 feet or so then come out of it into a normal flick type glide (for a righty) for an additional 150-200 feet. Amazing to watch. The only thing i noticed was it worked a LOT better with a slight headwind, and seemed to fly more like a baseball shot with a tailwind. I tried my hand at it and got it to go a cool 75 feet or so then my rotator cuff went 200 feet. So i threw a backhand as hard as i could with my remaining shoulder and like i figured, it was an instant roller, flipped over REALLY fast but the weird thing is it never fully flipped to the right (i'm a righty). It flipped of as fast as a beat JLS but just stood straight up and never fell to either side, it just ran out of steam 400 feet later. Might just be my new distance roller.

[tnt]

I have noticed that I can get more distance out of these discs with a slight headwind. At least with a tomahawk. I throw mine with a thumber and with the wind just right (right to left headwind) it will fly well over 400 feet. It just so happens that the optimum wind for this throw is the worst possible wind for my backhand throw. This disc WILL be in my bag and I WILL use it in tournaments. It has already been a stroke saver for me in some minis.

[neonnoodle]

YOU WILL MARVEL! /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Re: Epic

I've only been throwing mine for about a week (RHBH) For me, the Beast still goes further on average, but I found out the Epic floats in water. Don't ask how I found that out, but it's a plus in my book. Until I get it tuned to where it out-drives my other drivers, it will be my water hazard disk of choice.

I got to throw the Arrow once. Seems FAST for an approach/putter. I don't think I'll get one of these.