Aerobie EPIC

Anybody thrown one of these? WHat did you think? We were all tossing one around in the field today, not bad. You are actually able to thumber it and it will do full rotation and then go into a normal flight.................one of the wildest things I've ever seen. Only threw it couple times myself but it was going deep.

The Epic is the Strangest disc I have ever thrown. If thrown correctly they will go a mile, however since the rim is so big it's easy to get lazy and release early. I hope to see them for sale at local department stores.

[tiltedhalo]

the pictures of these online look wild. Has anyone tried the aerobie putter yet? it has a similarly radical design...

I looked around and they are available from a couple of places on the web... $12 each plus shipping. If you've got one, please post your thoughts and compare them to something that's out--if anything can really compare to them.

Hey patrick,
Did you ever get the discs we sent you from Mike @ the la mirada tennis shop?
I sent a special box marked for you with 10 or so discs for you to test and give us feedback on.
One was a clear Speed Demon 177 grams!
Whats the scoop?

Hey Dave, while you're thinking about discs that got sent, we never got the ones for the TD Alliance Summit. Did you send them to my home address?

I just ordered an Epic and an Arrow. They'll probably end up in my "tester" box for those of you who want to try one out at an HCF Monthly sometime.

[rhett]

McCormack, aren't you the one that gets all pissy when people mention the name of another disc on the Speed Demon thread?

What gives here? /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

> aren't you the one that gets all pissy when people mention the name of another disc on the Speed Demon thread?

No, he's the one that gets all pissy when people mention the name of another disc in ANY thread.

the Arrow is a shallow rim, goes where ya throws it upshot/putter. Consistent & pretty nifty. Nice tacky feel/grip. Didn't get to throw the Epic but saw one- how bizarre!.

[neonnoodle]

These are some really innovative golf discs! The Epic flies like it has gears. Yup, gears. If you watch it carefully you will see it shimmee when it gets about 50 to 70 feet out of your hand. It goes understable at that point. At between 350 to 390 it seems to click again and become suddenly very over-stable. It is VERY fast.

One word: Cool.

The putter is a dead straight flyer at low to medium speeds that finishes with a very soft stable fade. I didn't throw any medium or long range throws with it, but was told that it is very stable.

This is very exciting news for disc golf, I look for more good things to come from them...

The Arrow is the best forehand midranger I have ever thrown. You can throw it 300' dead straight and it falls pretty straight too.
The Epic can be flicked easier than any other disc I have tried. Backhand I am still trying to get, but I have thrown it almost 500'.

Rhett you are right,I shouldnt have posted here and just sent him an email.
I was just surfing and typed in a quick message.
Most of your posts/Jabs always seem calculated, malicious and premeditated.
There is a big difference here, I think.

JM wrote'
"No, he's the one that gets all pissy when people mention the name of another disc in ANY thread. "
Is this comment based on anything you have read on the discussion board.
.
I know of 4 NEW disc manufacturing companies who will have discs on the market by 2004 and hopefully there presence will give the Inoova diehards more people, places and products to onleash there taurett-syndrome-like negativity on!
Wake up and smell the plastic, it's all good for the game!

[tanner]

Wow! What a concept!!!! "all good for the game!"

Not just the pocket book(s)!!!!

Just had my 1st EPIC experience today. Anyone know how this thing got PDGA approval as a golf disc? I thought they had standards for rim thickness, rigidity, weight, etc. in order for it to be used in PDGA tourney play. Any info on disc standards you can throw my way would sure ease my cynical mind as to how this disc can possibly fly (so to speak).

Drake, you didn't get to see anything, my friend. We took it out on the course during $5/head singles in the afternoon and we all got a turn at hucking it in various winds and variouis ways.

All I can say is that for comic relief, this thing can't be beat. Can't imagine one single redeeming quality that would keep it in the bag other than the "oddity" factor and possibly the fact that it floats.

Now the Arrow, Aerobie's putt/approach disc, is actually kind of cool. That is if you can get past the weird look, weird shape, weird feel and weird plastic. Its slow and straight and surprisingly easy to throw.

I'm going to have to second Marks opinion on the Epic. What a wild disc. From super stable to totally understable behavior in the same disc is just bizarre. It almost has me convinced that this disc is either right or left handed.

Thrown as a flick or thumber it acts like it is super under-stable, think taco'd Stingray. Thrown back hand, when it is done going, it takes the hardest left turn I have ever seen. I'm going to have to say I don't have a spot in my tournament bag for this disc. It may just be in my head, but I don't feel I could depend on it to do anything. It just plays with your head badly.

Yeah Kyle, but how 'bout my thumber on #17 that turned completely around and then began to glide out like a forehand? If you ever need a shot like that, you know just what disc to throw. /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

(Y'all should've seen the looks on the faces. Priceless.)

[drdisc]

If they actually received PDGA Approval, they might put it on the hotstamp, like all the others.
Is it on there?

It is PDGA approved, it's right on the stamp.

I've thrown it a couple of times and the thing is nuts. Sometimes flippy, sometimes stable, and it just falls out of the sky when it slows down. The tomahawk barrel roll is fun, but try throwing a forehand roller with it...

I tried that Joohoon. Thinking it would be as ridiculously overstable as it had been with my backhand, I tried a forehand roller (the day I got it, before it was beat) and it became the most understable forehand disc ever made.

Actually, I think this thing's only unpredictable because it doesn't do anything normal. /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif If you learned it well, you may be able to take advantage of its quirks (of which there are many). /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

[gnduke]

After about 1/2 an hour, we were able to hit each other in the hands (not actually trying to catch it, but it was right there) endzone to endzone with it. Once you learn what it is going to do, it is very accurate. The only problem is I couldn't think of a place I would need that severe a left hand turn at the end of a flight. I am in the process of "tuning" a disc to my throwing speed as directed by the packaging. They are extremely understable for my throw out of the box.

It is without a doubt the most entertaining disc I have thrown in years.

What is the distance like on this disc?

are they available at a sports store or strickly via online lenders

I Just got my Epic Today and only got a chance to throw it about 5 times. I would totally agree with the inconsistent statments. The distance wasn't bad at all and actually flew pretty well until it got drastically overstable and took and big left hook (rhbh throw). Then the next throw it seemd to turn over and not want to come out of it. And I am not too sold on the plastic yet either, kind of feels like a "toy" frisbee, so I am kind of curious to see how it holds up. Hopefully tomorrow I will get to throw it more and give a little more feedback.

[gnduke]

TK, I was getting about 350'. Started with hyzer, the disc immediately goes understable to about 20 degrees anhyzer angle slowly comes up, then about 320' turns hard left. The hole flight was under 25'. It stayed within the goal posts until it turned left, and landed outside of the left hash marks and bounced (not really a skip) almost the the sidelines.

It does include "tuning" instructions to adjust the flight to the speed and snap of the thrower to get max distance. I haven't had it back out since I started trying to tune it. I'll bring them out to the ZT10 in Dallas for you to try.

[gnduke]

BTW, my max distance on the football field is usually about 370', so almost as far as anything else that I can throw, just that the flight path is so unusual that I am not sure what I would want to use it for except over water because it floats.

Where can you get one of these?

-m

[bapmaster]

I got mine from Disc Devil (http://www.discdevil.com).

How can you throw 370' on a football field that's 360' feet long, endline to endline?
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It goes 10ft. past.

He says "on." /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif
Maybe he stands 10' away.
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> How can you throw 370' on a football field that's 360' feet long, endline to endline?

> It goes 10ft. past.

Nah. He's throwing on the San Antonio Texan's football field. /clipart/proud.gif

<FONT SIZE="-2">Let's see how many of you get that one.</FONT> /clipart/happy.gif

=====EPIC=====

I dunno - this thing is definately nutty.

The feel of the disc is oddly somewhere between innova candy and a dragon - almost a rubbery feel. The rim where it is slimmest is actually surprisingly easy to grip, though wider than most rims.

I "tuned" it to be overstable (for about 5 minutes) before i even threw it, and it threw quite a bit like a speed demon. About 2 minutes later, it had relaxed back towards firebird, but it had a definate tendancy to turn over hard well into its flight - I was getting it out to about 120-130 before it turned hard, almost 20 degrees. Once it settled (it's gummy after you tune it for a littlw while), I was able to throw a high hyzer that would consistantly flip over to point slightly downward and right, and the thing would "glide" out a very long way. I hit my friend's house once about 520' out, just ABOVE his window. 450 is the kind of drive that makes me do a little dance and my record with a 171 1st run flat-top JK Valk and a hell of a tailwind is still way under 500', so I'd say the thing has some real distance.

When you don't get that sweet spot for glide, though (about 30 percent of the time for me), it falls out right and takes a cut-roll, or goes nice and straight and dives hard left fairly early.

Tommahawks are fun - a firm tommahawk at about 25 degrees off would flip all the way over back to vertical and roswell so hard it consistantly stuck, standing up in the ground. A very hard tommahawk would flip all the way out - way cool.

It skips - you know how a candy firebird will "dance" right or left once it makes contact? Think Fred Astaire; this thing skips/bounces/shimmmies a good 20-30 feet left RHBH after it takes an overstable dive.

The disc is affected somewhat by heat (it gets gummy and tunes itself understable). We discovered this by sitting the disc in the shade on the porch whil we went and had some iced tea (we had thrown it consistantly for almost 30 minutes). When we got back it was tackier than normal, and significantly more understable.

All that being said, I think this thing would be great for one thing only: setting records. I, for one, don't care for "unpredictable" discs in my bag - especially if you have to remember if you'd tuned it to turn right or left the last time you played. Don't fret though - this thing is fun as hell to throw, and will be accompanying me to just about every huge field I visit in the future; perhaps with quite a bit of time I'll learn the disc well enough to be comfortable with its excentricities so that it takes a place in my golf bag. Until then, it's a beat up 169 Candy FX, an 11x KC Pro Roc, and an X-Putt'r for most play, and a couple of others (150 Shark, Wizard, Xtreme, H-SpeedDemon, etc) for oddball circumstances.

The last thing I do have to say about the Epic: this thing is the most innovative disc I've seen in quite some time, and one hell of a first entry for a manufacturer. Props.

=====Arrow=====

What can I say? I hate it.
It's easy to throw straight and has a motherload of glide when you put power into it.
It falls out of the air if you try to throw it lightly.
It fits uncomfortably in the hand for putting.
Wind plays havoc with it for approaches.

I think the place for this disc is as a newbie starter disc, at best.

I'd offer to sell it, used, but I don't think it's worth the shipping I'd charge.

Again, very innovative, and quite bold for a new company entering the market. Other people probably like the disc quite a bit, so I can't say they ruined whatever cred the Epic might have given them, but I can still scowl at the disc.

[gnduke]

I said "I" was throwing on the football field, I didn't say the discs stayed on the football field.

I bought from Appleheart.com for $8.50 ea. $6 for shipping. I cant wait to try! "meister"

just funnin', GnDuke. /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

I don't get the San Antonio Texans reference, except that they say everything's bigger in texas...
...I heard that's true for DG scores, too...
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Ouch, baby, very ouch. /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

> I don't get the San Antonio Texans reference,

The late and unlamented San Antonio Texans (http://www.oursportscentral.com/cflinamerica/sananton.htm) were Texas' representative in the Canadian Football League's misconceived, misbegotten attempt to expand into the US in the mid-'90s. (CFL fields measure 110x65 yards, plus 20 yard endzones, i.e., 450' long from endzone to endzone.)

Nicely done there Felix. I never understood the thinking behind bringing the CFL to the U.S., although you can't blame 'em for trying. /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Wasn't there even a team in one of the states in the deep, deep, deep south? AL? GA?

i think there was a team in vegas...

> I never understood the thinking behind bringing the CFL to the U.S.,

That's you're first problem: you assumed they were thinking.

CFL Board of Governers: "Ok, so we're gonna put teams in Baltimore, Birmingham, Miami, Memphis, Shreveport, San Antonio, and Las Vegas, and play DAY games in July, August, and September. That ought go over REAL well, eh?"

Real bunch of geniuses there. /clipart/happy.gif

> although you can't blame 'em for trying.

I don't know about that ...

"Highlights" of the expansion effort included awarding a team to a well-known con man who promptly stiffed the league out of the franchise fee; a team housing its players on the second floor of a livestock barn during training camp (I swear, I'm not making this up), a team that practiced on 70 yard strip of asphalt in a casino parking lot, a coach ordering the strippers ... errr, cheerleaders ... to try to distract the other team's players by loitering behind their bench, a stadium whose "facilites" were port-a-potties, and a singer singing the Canadian national anthem to the tune of "O Christmas Tree." And those are just for teams that actually ever played a game!

(And y'all thought the XFL was a joke. /clipart/proud.gif)

The XFL got consistently better ratings than the NHL. Is the NHL a joke?

Signed one of the few people who admit to liking the XFL.

OK, looked/felt one today.....

WEIRD......I sorta liked, that it wasnt balanced, by being a much wider rim on one side, than the other......saw it thrown, and for a big arm, it rolled over first throw, and turned second, when he hyzered it a little......

I think I definately want to pick one up....

[Chris Hysell]

The XFL champs were named after a Discraft disc, the Extreme.

[memphisdiscgolf]

I had season tickets to the Memphis ManiAX!!

[Pizza God]

Wierd, just plain wierd

Yet cool enough to steal from Chad's bag this weekend when he turned his back /msgboard/images/clipart/sad.gif

[neonnoodle]

How about Top Flight or Big Bertha? Are they going to get into the disc manufacturing market? /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

[jasonc]

At Vet's or the Z this weekend John?? Me and McGough will keep an eye out for it and hopefully get it back to him.

He left his bag where everyone was sitting when we left ZBoz. Steve found it and called, but by that time a roc, two pro valks and the epic were gone (red epic with some road rash). Steve is going to give it to Claydog Tuesday, but Clay has not emailed me back yet to say if he can ship it for us. Thanks Steve!

I guess Engeee has learned another lesson!

Yeah, no(not enough) scruples in D/FW!!!

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It could happen anywhere really /msgboard/images/clipart/sad.gif

[garywatts]

one ddh does not mean we are all bad.

signed DFW

[rhett]

I got a 2001 CE Roc back from Z-Boaz when, like an idiot, I left it lying in the grass by the parking lot after warming up with some mid-range shots before a mini. Even had to be mailed since I was long-gone.

Give DFW a break.

Easy to find one bad apple in a crowd of 150...

Rhett, its all in fun.....I love the D/FW courses, and most evey golfer I have met there.

And yes, we have A-holes like that here too, I think Ching Lizard got a few 1st run Valks stolen out of his bag once. I'm not sure if he was here, or out of town, either way it sux-***!!

That was at the snow farm of all places that ching got jacked... I think it was just one though...

The ARROW is super flat flying, 100' flat and it hyzers only 3 feet. I will critique the EPIC tomorrow! "meister"

[bapmaster]

Threw the Epic on Sunday. "Thumber" tomahawk. Not only did it come out of the tomahawk into a hyzer, but, just before it hit the ground, it started to flip AGAIN. Flew 350' in this "Corkscrew" flight pattern.

[gnduke]

Hey Steve, Crank that Arrow up a little bit.
100% throw to about 300' and only 6' of fade at the end.

It drops like a Jump Jet (Harrier)sp?, Sorry I wasnt able to try the EPIC today.( No fields long enough around here for my Big Gun!) "meister"

epic is a piece of crap, tooo unpredictable, throw it the same each time and it will do something completly different. It is the most understable disc adn themost understable disc i have ever thrown

Didn`t like the EPIC either, too unpredictable.

[gnduke]

Anybody in KC selling Arrows ?

The epic is a cool disc to just play arond with out on a foot ball field or somthin'. I dont think a disc ilke that will ever be seen in my bag. Like everyone else said, this disc is so unpredictable.

You thumber throwers should love the epic, they flip 360 and fly long.