Discraft - X/Z Wasp vs MRX

Hey all,

I've been throwing the MRX for a long time. Probably my favorite disc in general. With the Z-Wasp and X-Wasp, I'm kind of wondering if we don't have some duplication.

The Z and X Wasps seem to be about the same. Pretty overstable with a good finish at the end. Maybe a little more stability with the Z but not much at all. The X Wasp and MRX seem to fly the same for me, again, overstable with a nice finish, not terribly abrupt, not a real long glide either.

Are other people having this same experience? It really seems like the same disc. Is this just a whichever feels better in your hand kind of thing?

Thanx for any feedback.
Justin

Mr Moore,

I think this phenomenon only happens with your x-wasps. Therefore, you should stop throwing them from now on. It would benefit all of the Advanced players in this area immensely. Thank you for your cooperation. /clipart/smile.gif

Daniel

PS--email me sometime if you want to play a round!

[bapmaster]

Justin,
I won a black wasp at a tourney a few weeks ago, and was told to put it in my bag. I thought it might take the place of the MRX, since I was told it was the most stable Discraft mid-range available. So I played a round with it and used it instead of the MRX. And was duly unimpressed. It went straight back on the shelf.

Long live Mr. X!!!!

Yes MRX is more stable than da WASP but does it fly farther than da Wasp?

I have two MRX's in my bag one is A first run tan
and da other is A black 99 am worlds(really stable)must be da color

[sandalman]

i replaced my X with a Z-Wasp, but retained an oder regular plastic V. that combo seems to cover a wide enuf stability range for me.

[bruce_brakel]

There is some overlap there. Its not like you need four different up-shot molds and five different putter molds, each in three different kinds of plastic, all in your bag, but its nice to have the choice of what works for you. I never had much use for Mr X but I love my broken in D-wasps.

Anyone out there throw the new Discraft proto-driver? It has a triangular profile but not as elongated as an XL. It seemed dead on stable for a medium power throw, and a little slower than an XL or XS. Not sure what niche that disc is looking to fill!

[discraft_elite]

I'm looking for a good midrange, but i'm caught in limbo between wasp, hawk, mrv, and mrx. i'm pretty sure i want a d/dx plastic so i can play even when my disc gets wet. i just need help deciding on which one. i drive with an z-xs and put with an aviar. suggestions or comments?

what does the disc getting wet have to do with which plastic you choose? Just curious.I am a big fan of the z-wasp for shots up to 320. a truly sweet midrange disc.I used to throw the mrv and have thrown all mentioned, but the wasp seems to be a better all purpose midrange for me (Wind)

[tiltedhalo]

nic,

as someone who has thrown all the discs you mention, I'll chime in with my .02 - first, the MRX doesn't come in D/DX plastic, so you can elimiate it from the running, though it is a very predictable midrange/driver... I, too, am a very strong believer in D/DX/S midrange discs because I play so often in rain/snow up here in the NE, so I fully apprecaite and support your search...

The Hawk is a little slow/short to use as a full midrange--I like midranges that I can use off the tee on holes up to around 300 feet, and I can't put a hawk that far with accuracy--to huck one 300, I have to rip my arm out and that defeats the purpose of throwing a midrange. I've also found D-Hawks to be finicky on upwind shots.

The MRV is a nice, fairly neutral midrange with a gentle glide. I know a lot of people who used and enjoyed the MRV for midrange shots... until the Wasp came out. The Wasp is basically a Discraft Roc--the profiles are almost identical and the flight is almost identical. However, I like Wasps a little better because they seem a hair faster in the air and I can squeeze just a little more distance out of them without losing accuracy. It is also nice that Wasps come in 4 distinct plastics and all the plastics are widely available--this is a huge plus when you decide to start reducing the number of molds in your bag--you can just have half a dozen wasps in different plastics and levels of wear for every shot from 100-320 feet.

I am a huge fan of the DX/Photon Wasp (actually prefer the Photon over the DX--Photon plastic grips amazingly well in all conditions and is slightly more resilient than DX. As an example, when it is raining I use a photon talon for distance forehand drives, because it grips so well. However, rather than reiterate all my thoughts on the Wasp, I will direct you to another thread where several people chimed in on the specifics of the Wasp in all it's different plastics...

http://www.pdga.com/discus/messages/50/8766.html?1049646952

For that matter, I have a couple extra photon wasps I would be willing to trade or sell if you are interested... feel free to drop me an email.

As reference, my bag includes roughly equal numbers of Innova, Discraft, and Gateway discs, so I am not speaking as a discraft evangelist but as an impartial disc nerd. I generally carry 2-3 different wasps in my bag (DX/Photon/Elite) and throw them all both forehand and backhand.

Good luck in your search.

For thoe people wanting to throw something quicker and easier to control i would suggest the X-Storm rather than Mr.X. The Storm is truly the furthest flying mid range. Stable, yet can hold the FLEX line. sweet for those 150-300 ft shots that rely on accuracy.


imho.

[j_d]

I have an MRX that has been in the bag for over 2 years, hit numerous trees hard, and all it has done is turn into a far more reliable MRV-like disc that can be thrown on a mild hyzer or straight for up to 300' - no warpage whatsover. As near as I can tell, the disc is indestructible and I hope to be throwing it for years to come. The thing I love about the MRX is that they take a long time to break in and ultimately reach a condition where they fly close to dead straight.

I also have a d-WASP (proto or near-proto) that has held up well thus far and I am liking that as well - it is still a little more overstable than the beat MRX and can be thrown on a nice smooth medium range sidearm in addition to backhand. Whereas the D-WASP loses a little chunk here and there, the MRX seems to refuse to allow anything to take chunks out of it.

[discraft_elite]

I went down to the local sports store and picked up a dx wasp. i then proceeded to go play 36 holes with it. i didn't play with it solid, but i was inmpressed by its performence. thanx guys for all your help

[hazard]

This seems to be the best and most current thread in which to pose this question...

I have a Z-MRV, three 10x Rocs, and a Photon Wasp. Other midranges for other purposes as well, but this is a very specific question. I have tried to find a consistent answer and failed. This much I seem to have gotten fairly consistently: the Z-MRV is typically faster and glides farther than the Rocs. The speed I'm getting. The glide, in my personal experience, I'm not sure is rally longer. And I need to go throw them all some more to see how I feel about the stability...I can get a good long dead-straight shot from one of the Rocs with a very slight fade, while the Z-MRV seems to fade a little sharper. I have thrown my photon Wasp relatively little, and it was dark when it had its best flight, but it seems to have decided to be as straight as the Roc with a faster flight and longer glide than any of them.

I guess my question is, would the Z-Wasp fly as I have described the Photon? I could really use a midrange that will hold the straight line like the Roc, with that same negligible fade, but with the extended glide...and the durability of Z-plastic.

Other disc suggestions are also welcome, but don't tell me to get a CE Roc, those are too steep for consideration unfortunately.

[Sharky]

Bob, I think you pretty much have it figured out and you summed it up quite nicely. I have more experience with rocs although I do have a few Z-Wasps. I prefer the CE/Z versions because of the little bit of extra distance you can get from them because you can throw them harder and they tend to skip more than the regular plastic. Also, I think a Wasp/Roc will nose out a MRV/MRX for distance even though the MRV/MRX is easy to throw almost as far.

I would agree with what you have found. I used to throw KC Rocs but now throw Wasps. The Z Wasp is a bull. More overstable than a KC Roc. You can work them in a little by beating the snot out of them and then you get a fairly straight flight but you still end up with a hard overstable finish. I prefer the feel of the X plastic and as soon as I got my hands on a X Wasp I was in heaven. I thought it would beat up quickly so I bought a bunch of spares.... I'm still using the first one and it isn't getting any less overstable! For a straight midrange drive without a big dump at the end stick with the Photon Wasp and beat it up slightly. $$$!

I have an orange Flatop Hotstamped Wasp that i gaurantee you in more overstable then any MRX you have ever Thrown and its not even Max Weight.........if you get flat top wasps and not domey ones they are way more overstalbe i do not like the Lip on the Mrx at all being an Ex Roc thrower that is prolly why but it is to sharp for me the was is nice same lip as a roc almost i think its the Second best midrane Discraft has next to the BUZZZ
LOVE LIVE THE WASP AND BUZZZ

[circle_2]

I had a light blue flat-top D-Wasp that was a flippy mother right out of the box...not what I expected.
Big Black Dog!!! ...you still throwing this flippy birdie machine? (I traded it to BBD last Winter for a MaceMan Proline Firebird...still in my bag, BTW!.../msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif)

ok guys, this is for z wasp throwers! Your most overstable z wasp is ..? Thats about it. I think flat top ones are more overstable. But how old? AND WHAT COLOR? my normal z dark blue finishes wayyy less stable. I used to think it wasnt able to hold a hyzer line. Now its almost a new kc roc.. with a crazy skip, unless I get crazy in the head.

...Im also asuming that max wieght= more stable. Think Ill bite the bullet and use it once a round for 1-2 months and give it away. One week and counting till orange crush goodness.. ummm. Once thats over with and I screw with a vik and buzz and CE vip I just might be ready to try a serious round out again, biggest stack of perfect kc rocs ever!