What is everyones favorite GATEWAY DISC that they have thrown

my favorites are the WIZARD,DEMON,SABRE, AND THE EDGE.

[discgolf6481]

Wizard.....Especially as a Turbo.

[amdiscgolfer]

Wizard, Demon, & the Chief!!!!!!!

I second that.../clipart/wink.gif

[dannyreeves]

you can't beat a Wizard

[tdwriter]

Finally played with my Wizards last weekend. Used a soft one to putt with and a stiff one for approaches and ... I love 'em!! I'm sold on these discs, especially the soft Wiz. I hope to sell some more locals on this plastic. Or maybe not.
RwC <FONT COLOR="0000ff">(Hey Marty, the locals said "Hey")</FONT>

the wizard is the best putter i have ever putted with in my life.

[rhett]

Ben,

Tell Double-G that Megan and I said "hi".

garrett said hi back and asked how yall are doing

hence the name...

i turned in my big bead for the gateway masterpeice.

i have noticed a variance in stability though.

but all i need is one!

The soft Wizard is my favorite putter. The Sabre is a nice driver, but the Edge is still a work in progress near as I can tell. Overall, the Wizard would have to rank as my favorite Gateway disc.

Dave McC: How about a Sabre in the new plastic? Likewise for tbe Demon...

no soft wizards down in Houston. Sure is a bummer.
how does it compare to a early run supersoft?

Blaze

any wizard is a good wizard in my bag!!!!!!

there working on the new plastic right now. that new plastic will be sweet on the sabre and blaze. and all the other discs they have.

[rtinsa]

Wizard.............................

i love crushing a side arm drive for 400 with the edge...

I love my proto wizards. This Xmas bought both of my sons Gateway specials. One of them got a super light Wizard, that I really like. The kid won't trade. Offered him a nickel, but no luck.

[circle_2]

Demon. What a Gator and MRX dream of being...

ok, asking again. does anyone care to compare the soft wizard to a early run 1.5 super soft? tell me how far you can throw if it helps /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif
or do they not exist in your neck of the woods either

Matchu:

The Supersofts are much softer than the soft Wizards. The latter never feel as though they are flopping in you hand, especially in the summer. The Wizards seem to handle both heat and cold better than the Supersofts. They are less likely to warp, too. The soft Wizard is what I would call "moderately soft," and maintains that degree of "give" in both hot and cold weather. It really has a nice feel to it. BTW, I tried a harder Wizard and found that it did not feel nearly as good in my hand, but that is obviously a very subjective judgment.

(As far as how far I can throw, I am a weenie arm, but I only use soft putters for short putts...)

I hope this helps a little.

thank you very much! I will stay with my ss

I love the demon. It can do anything, absolutely my favorite non-innova disc. I also love the plastic they come in, super hard, and it doesn't seem to wear to fast. I have a 2 year old Demon that I still can't get to turn over. I've had Rocs that turn over after 2 weeks. Superb disc.

"I love the demon. It can do anything..."

"I have a 2 year old Demon that I still can't get to turn over."

Nah, no contradiction there.

[nix]

I had a Demon that was amazing- very overstable in any kind of wind...Lost it at the 1st Z-Boaz open, no one turned it in.

Finally I got another one from my buddy that got it in his Worlds players package...this one says G6i Overstable Mid Range Demon...I was so excited...until I threw it.

This disc is NOTHING like the Demon I once had. The new one is not at all overstable- it is UNDERstable. I can still use it- as a roller- but was very disappointed that the disc had NO resemblence to the disc I thought I was getting...

[marcace]

then give it back you ungrateful biatch!!!/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

The Soft Wizards in my opinion have a flight plate that gives a little more like the early proto wizards. I like these for putting, since you can really squeeze with your thumb and get a good feel for your putting motion. The harder Wizards are better for drives, since the rim is a bit more rigid. They spring off your hands better when thrown with power.

I've never seen an understable demon... I have one at 125g or so and it *always* comes back left (RHBH). You can throw it on a huge high anhyzer and it will flip right back to the left predictably every time. You may just want to get another one from somewhere...seems like a fluke.

Nix,
We made a run of Demons that we tried to make a straighter flying discs. That is why we stamped them G6i, because it is a DIFFERENT Flying disc.
The other companies do this all the time, but dont usually mark the run differently.
I'm not sure any of the G6i's were actually understable, but the hope was they would have the ability to flip up some. We have had players tell us that the G6i is a very straight flying Mid-Range. We made about 500 of the discs and they are almost all gone, but we can make some more if the demand is there.

the G5I are the very overstable demons, the G6I is the straight flyer.

Check out the G6i, I've got a couple left here...
http://go-discgolf.tripod.com/custom_order.htm
Can't wait to get some of Dave's new Gateway disc that he's working on for big D... originally dubbed "the Edge"... were the legal problems resolved then? I saw some for sale online still using the name "Edge". Are they still in design then?

[nix]

No Marcy...

David, thanks for the response- sounds like i need to get a hold of some G5i's...

And you are right, other disc companies have inconsistant runs in disc molds. That does not mean I have to like it. I understand the numerous factors that can effect the slight changes in a mold, but that is not ideal in making customers happy. I do commend you for attempting to notify your customers with run numbers- I was not aware you doing this- other companies (who have not already) should follow this example...

Ive noticed several people make reference to the "soft wizard" ? Are they talking about the chief? I personally have several Wizards, and I love them!! They are sooo true! Was there a differnt run of these that were soft? If so, 2nd run, 3rd?

They allow me to put away my small bead aviars(the older ones) and still feel confident that it will do what they will do. Great disc.

The chief I havent thrown enough yet. Sure makes a crazy sound when it hits the chains! Or the ground for that matter.

Any of the discs that are copies of innova. Wait sorry that is the discraft best disc list/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif Lets see if crazy Phil will slam and cry at me and all non discrap people after that/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

I like the wizard, but......

After a few weeks' time, the soft wizard starts to look like somone has used it for batting practice. The flight plate gets all bumpy and warped, and the disc starts to fly erratically.

I've gone through three of them, and though I like them, I now use an X-Purr't.

The Chief is not what they are referring to as a soft wizard...the soft wizard gives you the feel of a soft putter to your fingers, but hits the chains like a hard putter. The Chief is made of the same plastic as the __________(aka the Edge).

Daniel,
We retooled the wizard after the first few runs, making it .005 thicker in the flight plate.
This did not change the flight chracteristics any but did help allow us to make softer models that will not warp on the flight plate.
Im not sure if the Zpttr is even in the same league as the wizard/Chief and Avair!
Especially off the tee!!!

The X-Putt'r is understable, while the Soft Wizard is slightly overstable. These two discs fly quite differently. Personally, I like the Z-Putt'r for longer putts, because the slick plastic slides off my fingers just right, and if I aim dead at then basket, the understability seems to carry it to the right just enough so that the fade at the end of the flight brings it back to the basket -- and if I miss, it lands flat. But the Soft Wizard is great for shorter putts, just soft enough to have some give, but not so soft that it seems to flop around in your hand as you are setting up your putt. The harder Wizard does not feel right to my hand, as it seems to hang up more upon release.

BTW, I have been playing with a Proto Soft Wizard for some time now, and have had no warp problems in all kinds of heat and cold. My Omega SS putters, on then other hand, got all bent out of shape really easily. One caveat -- I think the plastic used in them current Soft Wizard is not quite the same as that used in the Proto (Dave McC would have to speak to that).

The Proto Wizards used plastic ground up from a bunch of other misrun Gateway discs. So any that were over legal weight or had other imperfections got ground up and thrown in to make the protos.

Something that you should be open to trying is getting a really light Wizard for longer putts. I've got one as light as 109g. I'd never really been comfortable running putts from 60-100ft out until this disc. Basically you can throw it like a normal putt and it glides its way to the basket at least twice as far as a heavier putter. Wizards don't seem to be effected that much by the wind either...so it's kind of scary to see the disc hover its way to the basket even with a head wind. The only trick is feeling confident enough to throw it and trust it'll go straight. Driving with the light wizard isn't recommended...but in my experience throwing into a headwind, the lighter one goes about 30ft. shorter than a heavy wizard, and downwind you can get it to carry about 30ft more.

David

Are you guy's dying the <FONT SIZE=" 1">EDGE</FONT> or <FONT SIZE=" 1">EVOLUTION</FONT> yet.

Marty,
We just started into dyeing again this past week. We are still trying to come up with a cool htstamp for the dyes!

Can't wait to see it.

"2 NEW DISCS PDGA APPROVED"
Speed Demon &amp; Chief
Guru, Dave, and others,

Gateway Disc Sports recently submitted the Speed Demon and Chief for PDGA testing. Both discs were found to comply with all PDGA requirements, so they have been added to the list of PDGA-approved discs (attached). Test measurements are listed below.

Speed Demon
Certification No. 03-1
Outside diameter: 21.4 cm
Height: 1.8 cm
Rim depth: 1.1 cm
Rim thickness: 2.2 cm
Inside rim diameter: 17.0 cm
Flexibility rating: 10.89 kg
Rim configuration rating: 27.0
Maximum weight allowed: 177.6 g

Chief
Certification No. 03-2
Outside diameter: 21.0 cm
Height: 2.1 cm
Rim depth: 1.5 cm
Rim thickness: 1.0 cm
Inside rim diameter: 19.0 cm
Flexibility rating: 9.53 kg
Rim configuration rating: 60.5
Maximum weight allowed: 174.3 g

Discontinuously,
Jeff Homburg (#1025)
PDGA Tech Standards Chair

Keep the sweet discs coming Gateway!

[discette]

Glad to see you used my suggestion for the name, Chief, Dave.

Discette,
When did you make the suggestion for using the name Chief?

[orotter]

This doesn't really count but I have a beat up #2 Roller that I found and couldn't locate an owner for. I drilled a hole in it and now I use it to exercise with by attaching surgical tubing to it kind of like the equalizer. /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

[discette]

On the other thread, need help naming a new disc.

<FONT SIZE=" 2">Pro-Magnum</FONT>

The disc called ................<FONT SIZE=" 2"><FONT FACE="SYMBOL">p</FONT></FONT>.

<FONT SIZE=" 2">©©®</FONT>

Matt,
I think the # 2 roller is by lightning.
Discette,
I do appreciate the help in naming the discs, but we have had the Chief name for almost 2 years. It was first printed in spring issue 2001 DGWN.
we will be looking for mid-range names soon for the rocish type discs we are working on!!!

Howsabout The assasin? Or the pinpoint? Or the Kamikaze? Or the "Gateway is giving Erik Wilson money to endorse this Roc-ish like midrange disc"?

Hey, I just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to reply about the flight-plate issue.

Yeah I've noticed that the proto doesn't warp liek the early run wizards, and I'm glad that y'all thinkened it back up.

As far as the X-Putt'r being in the same class as the Aviar or Wizard, you're right - it's not at all. It's exclusively my putter. For snub drives and approaches, I use a Roc, now.

I've aquired a pair of proto's at 175 (bright @$$ orange), and I use them for single-disc sets, and for LONG putts (X-Putt'r is just too unpredictable), but I've really grown to love the glide and grip of an X-Putt'r, and man that thing holds onto chain.

Anyway. I'm glad you fixed my only complaint with a great disc, and I'm glad you tookthe time to clarify that.

BTW, my edge kisks a llama's @$$. Almost as overstable as my 150-class proto tachyon, but much more length.

[orotter]

Dave,

My bad! and I apologize profusely for confusing Gateway with you know who. That was hitting below the belt. I've never thrown a Gateway disc but someday I hope to.

[morgan]

My favorite gateway disc is a putter made out of hemp oil. I didn't buy it yet but I will, on ebay. That way, when I putt well I'll be SMOKING.

hemp oil putter (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?viewitem&amp;item=1988320669)

Don't anybody outbid me, the auction is over in an hour. If anybody outbids me, I will know who you are and have to kill you.

[morgan]

Okay I won it. The seller's name is...David M McCormack

Hey Dave. When you send it, can you make sure you wrap it in plastic and put dog repellent on it so the drug sniffing dogs don't give me trouble?

My favorite Gateway disc used to be the Sabre, then it was the Blaze, then it was the Demon/Scout, then it was the Wizard. I still like them well enough. But now? Now the Speed Demon is here and wow. Wow. WOW!

i heard that they are working on a new mid-range disc. i guess more like a roc. i think

Can someone give me some descriptions of the Sabre, Apache and Warrior? How do they fly? What discs from other manufacturers do they compare to?

Hey, What's the deal with these two-kinds-of-plastic prototype Gateway discs I saw on Ebay? Dave Mc, care to comment on these?

I think that the different plastics are what distinguish Scouts from Demons, Sabres from Apaches, Chiefs from Wizards ,etc.

Trans Warp Conduit (http://www.gatewaydiscsports.com/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=5&amp;TopicID=46&amp;Pag ePosition=1)

You can back-hack that url to get to Gateway's home page if you need to.

What gives?? Is the Speed Demon the final version then of the new high speed driver... originally dubbed the Edge... Fastest disc on the planet Earth, excluding those transported by aliens /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

[tiltedhalo]

erik,

I know which discs you are talking about. From what I know, Gateway is working on the possibility of discs being composed of two different plastics with different properties. The only current PDGA legal example of this is the Wham-O MaxFlight discs that have been sold as rec-discs for several years. The MaxFlights have a hard, transparent center and a flexy-rubber edge. This gives them the rigidity to hold their shape and fly pretty straight, pretty far, but the rubbery part of the disc makes it easy to catch bare-handed.

I don't think Gateway is attempting to make anything that it catchable, but I do think they are trying to utilize the differene benefits of different plastics in a single disc. For example, maybe they use a very hard early-CE type plastic for the center and a less-dense, very shock-absorbing plastic for the edge: this would give you a long-distance driver that didn't bounce way off when it hit trees. This would also reduce the overall rigidity of the disc (by not having the stiff rim, to allow it to pass PDGA flex-tests ), but would allow a very, very warp resistant flight plane.

There are lots of other possibilities, but this is just one example. I'm sure when Dave McCormick logs in he can give you a better idea of exactly what they are trying to do with the dual-plastics.

sweet. Thanks.

[hazard]

By a very slim margin over the Speed Demon...my favorite is my new old Scout. (Stay with me here...I just got it used.)

So far I would have to say my hard wizards. I am waiting to give any kind of judgement on the other ones till I get to try them out in some of the other plastics. I would love to try out a H/E sabre, but can't get my hands on one. /msgboard/images/clipart/sad.gif

[discchucker]

H-apache...but eagerly anticipating the release of the spirit. Or whatever it's going to be called.

Jason,
The G1i in the evolution plastic is ready to ship.
They are not clear but still have great abbrasion resistance. They are flatter than the regular H apaches and fly a little faster, also a little more left at the end of the flight.
We are stamping them with the small Gateway stamp for now, but will have the G1i Evolution-pro-line stamp soon.

[dannyreeves]

Dave, when I got a big order about a month ago, I got about 20 Soft Wizards. They are awesome. Several people down here have switched to them. They are not really soft, just tacky. I hope you guys make the softies like that every time.

THANKS!

[circle_2]

Demon/G5i! /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif A reliable disc. I carry 2...one beat, one new. The beat one actually has some carry and glide now...the new one just goes left...fast!!
I believe I've figured out why I like these Demons so much...I throw flat. I would rather throw an overstable approach disc flat, than throw hyzer... If I need more D, I'll select a Roc. What would you suggest here, Dave M.?
Am looking forward to learning the ways of the SD...just haven't seasoned the 157g'er I got in Columbia yet. Dave M., are there ways to tell the less overstable ones from the rest??

Dave-

That's great to hear! I had emailed Tim about all this the other day but you must be running the guy ragged. /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

So you would say that the new G1i in the evolution plastic is more stable than the original sabres? I really would like to get my hands on some of the new plastics to review for discgolferusa.com. We have an Evolution Demon and will hopefully be able to start reviewing it this weekend (one of my team is moving into his new house, so we might have to wait).

[neonnoodle]

Speed Demon is the only Gateway to make it into my bag, this purely do to its sick stability. Is there anything stopping you guys from making it out of more durable plastic?

Best of luck!

my brother got an evolution plastic speed demon that's as tough if not tougher than any champion edition plastic or z.

[davidbihl]

Speed Demon is pretty sweet, I almost feel like I am cheating with this disc!! You can just roll your wrist on this baby and it is coming back, but it is so fast it gets way out there before it does, this disc is just fun to throw because it is such a unique flight characteristic. I dont know what plastic mine are in, it is light green and kinda feels like boingy silly putty!

[okcacehole]

How about the original Warriors players?...nothing special, just real consistent and I have 3 different ones I have aces with..Just a thought

[20460chase]

I got a Wizard from the Lynx guy at the wide open last year I think was a proto. NOT the player package Wiz. This was more like the new soft wiz,and had no PDGA approved print on the bottom.I have a friend who sells Gateway products and have tried most their discs.Besides this one Wizard ive never thrown a disc i like.Maybe the Demon.He throws it all good,but besides the wizard i throw it like crap.Then again i dont throw the puffy rimmed speed demon no one but pros seem to know about or do i need to sand the edges of my discs to change thier flight.

Wizards are the 2nd best putter on the market right now...They will never replace my 9x aviars, but they are the closest disc in flight characteristics and feel that I have thrown.

Glad to see a smaller company making quality plastic...try them out!

:D WIZARD :D

Only putter that is a roc :cool:

[axldog]

I've been a big fan of the DEMON for awhile now; it's been a consistent $money maker$ for me on for those short CTPs for ACE pool throw offs. It also helps my short game in high wind situations.

However, lately I've been experimenting with the WIZARD ( I prefer the soft plastic ). I putt with a Proline Rhyno, but I've been using the soft WIZARD for upshots and short drives.

This last weekend at the Sucker River Open along Duluth Minnesota's North Shore Drive ... I ACED #13, the 150ft Waterfall hole, with my WIZARD! That hole is the courses signature hole where you throw over a waterfall to a Chainstar located by the shore .... OB is everywhere on this beautiful yet technical hole. I split the $102 Ace Pool with Quito who Aced #14 in the same round ( even though that was a land lover hole ;) )

The soft WIZARD just found a permanent spot in my bag!

How does the naming on Gateway plastic work? Mostly the G5i, G1i, etc...Does the number indicate stability, with G5i being over stable and G1i being under? Or what is their old school name counterpart, ie:Speed Demon=G5i; Blaze=G1i; etc...Thanks!!

[dannyreeves]

the naming comares to golf clubs. The Hard Wizard is a G9i (9 iron). There are 2 Demons, G6i and G5i. The Blaze is a G3i and the Sabre is a G1i. The Speed Demon is a G1w and I don't know what they call a Spirit or illusion.

All the Gateway discs are GREAT!! Here is my list of them in order....

Demon
Wizard
Blaze
Speed Demon, Spirit, Sabre tie for 4th

[vwkeepontruckin]

As much as I love the Illusion for distance, I've found new love for my Blaze. Heres my list:

Pure "D" - Illusion
All Purpose Driver - Blaze
MidRange - Blaze,Old Plastic Scout and eventually the Element
Putter - Soft Wizard
Wind - Speed Demon and Demon

G5i or H Scout

At first I liked the G5i better, but now I've started throwing the H Scout more and have almost gotten chains from 100+ many times. I like the G5i more as a midrange driver type disc.

[mf100forever]

I´ve just tried the Soft Wizard, Speed Demon Evo and Spirit Evo (or hybrid plastic). You don´t see many Gateway discs on this side of the Atlantic! :(
Wizard is a good putter, but want replace my SSP´s.
Speed Demon is a great overstable driver, really predictable in headwind. Spirit kis not on by toplist, the plastic in this one is to slippery, not the same as in the SD.

I use the 160 SS wizards for putting,the 150 Apachies for mid range and 150 Sabres for drivers. My wife uses the 150 Wizards for putters and 114 Evolution Sabres for midrange and drivers. The Chief works well but I prefer the Apachies

[Rodney Gilmore]

Gotta be demons and wizards. They are both super durable and extremely predictable. It takes me about 6 mos of play to get a demon beat in right but once it does it stays that way for years. I got a proto demon in late 99 and still throw it. It doesnt have the extreme hyzer it did when it was new but now it flys straight. It isnt pretty any more. The top is all lumpy and its all dinged up but its still great. try throwing the competition's midrange discs in the same condition and see if they are as predictable. Oh yeah, you cant get the competitions discs in that condition, they would have broken way before that, my mistake.

[mikeP]

Wizards are the 2nd best putter on the market right now...They will never replace my 9x aviars, but they are the closest disc in flight characteristics and feel that I have thrown.

Glad to see a smaller company making quality plastic...try them out!



I didn't know 9x Aviars were still on the market :D

[mikeP]

Wizards are great. The hard ones (which includes the ones that happen to say "medium" as well) are the most durable Dx-type plastic discs I've thrown and make awesome midrange-approach discs. They hold any line to the ground for me. The softer ones are great for putting as the grip is the best I've felt and they are still pretty sturdy compared to soft versions of other putters. They still fly as far and stable as the hard ones for me, but they wear much faster.

The Spirit is my next favorite. This disc gets out on a line for me to about the 300' mark and then it flies another 75'-100' to the left, all at about 5-6' off the ground. Thrown with hyzer it can do some wicked long left turning shots. In my opinion this is the longest wind driver on the market and is a great all around overstable distance driver.

Yesterday I tried the Illusion for the first time. I was surprised when I examined the disc because the bottom of the wing was completely different from the SD and the Spirit, looking a bit like a crush or beast bottom. I was hoping this would give it more glide/distance. When I threw it flat it got out of my hand fast, though did not seem as fast as my Spirit. It got out straight like my Spirit, and went a little further on that line. At this point I was getting a little excited until, PLOP! It just fell out of the air like it was shot or something. Absolutely no forward glide. It does not fade as hard as the Spirit, but it does not go any further either, it just ends up a little straighter. It is a little faster than the Orc/Flash/Crush, but with NO GLIDE I don't see how it would ever fly as far.

By the way I look forward to trying the Element, but will wait to throw it before I go on about how great it is. I wouldn't want to fall for another illusion... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif