Disc modification? What's legal?

Are you the kind of stupid jackass that's willing to spend $30 on a second run CE Valkyrie? Or the kind that spends $20 on a used second run CE flat top Firebird? Stop wasting your money. I took all my Firebirds that weren't as overstable as my second run, everyday driver and I dipped them in boiling water for about 10 seconds then, set a cookie jar on them for about 30 seconds then toss them in cold water. Now they are all perfect. Just like the ones that Innova made mistakenly. Just like the ones that you fell in love with and can't buy anymore. Are they legal? Absolutely! Because Innova made some that way. Not only that, but where I live it gets stupid hot and I could have let nature and the trunk of my car do the work but that would take too long and lacks control. Do they look wierd? No! They look like they'll fly forever. Oh yea! And all of the Valks I bought thinking they would fly like my second run Valk (ha), they are perfect now too. They are overstable as [*****]. And now I'm happy.

Carpet is great for smoothing out plastic.
It is a tip!

[ryangwillim]

doctorx, you are hilarious!

[pnkgtr]

I'm going to try this. I'll tell you how it goes.

[pnkgtr]

Yeah, it works.

Isn't that, ummm.... sort of .... oh I don't know,... a willful attempt to circumvent the rules of play? Or is this legal now?

dang, and here i was about to auction off some of the aforementioned CE Valks and Firebirds on e-bay. if this little secret gets out, i'll be financially ruined!

SHHHHH!!!

It's certainly illegal as per PDGA Specs, but for the most part unenforceable. Certainly not in tune with the "spirit of the game".

There's also a chance you can change the plastic rigidity/density by boiling it and then dropping it in freezing water quickly afterward. Possibly more durable, might not meet PDGA rigidity specs... All hypothetical of course, I didn't throw the discs my friend and I boiled much.

[pnkgtr]

It looks as though the factored discs are back. I don't see the factor one Vipers unfortunately. That was my favorite. http://www.discgolfassoc.com/discsfactor.html These mods are legal!

If I trade for a CE Valk that has been dyed by the person I am swapping with, is the died Valk legal? (I'm not interested in discs that aren't legal)

[terrycalhoun]

I carry a Stingray factor 5 and a factor 3 for rollers. They're great. I birdied hole 21 at Sandy Point with the factor 5, two out of three times I played it.

[pnkgtr]

As long as the dye was in fact dye and not paint it's legal. There can be "no detectable thickness" on the disc.

[nix]

Which I think is ironic since a hotstamp has a detectable thickness.

Wow, is it just me or do those "factored" discs look like $18 DX discs? Believe me, as a vendor I'm all for manufacturers and retailers getting a fair price, but if this is the case with these, that's a bit over the top.

Is removing the hotstamp on a disc legal? I am considering swapping for a TL which is dyed and has the hot stamp removed. I was told it is legal because bottoms up discs are made without a top stamp -- but I could see it being considered a post production alteration of the disc. What's the verdict?

Is removing the hotstamp on a disc legal?

Yes. Rule 802.01.C does not prohibit post-production modifications /i{per se}: marking a disc in accordance with 802.01.F is a post-production modification; "moderate sanding of discs to smooth molding imperfections or scrape marks" is a post-production modification. Rule 802.01.C only prohibits post-production modifications "/red{which alter their original flight characteristics.}"

Thanks Felix.

[tafe]

The way Carlton Howard answered this exact question last year is, "Up to the T.D." It is a grey area. Ask an aeronautical engineer whether it changes the flight. On some discs,it most certainly does. I think it also depends on how the stamp was removed. I have a Stratus where Juliana's name was removed with what looks like a Brillo pad. I would call that questionable (if anyone cared what I was throwing). I also have a 10x Roc that I removed the stamp from with Goof-off. It looks a lot better, and I would say legal. If smeone wanted to fight me on it, they would probably win, because I can't prove that it doesn't fly different. I guess it depends on the type of people in your area.

> If smeone wanted to fight me on it, they would probably win, I can't prove that it doesn't fly different.

OTOH, short of being able to document how the disc flew prior to having its hotstamp removed, they can't prove that it DOES fly differently, either. /clipart/wink.gif

to remove any hotstamps,or just for awesome cleaning, use Varsol and a cloth a little elbow grease.

Or acetone. No elbow grease needed. Brake fluid also works.

[Dick]

are those new factoired discs dx or pro pl;astic? anyone get one yet? they look awful shiny in the pic.

[dsglfnpool]

be careful with the acetone as I have had three discs "peel" because of it. If you haven't seen a disc peel, they can actually lose a thin skin in spots. Mineral spirits of Goof-Off seem to work very well with no adverse effects (so far). Also, a good soak in a bucket of diluted bleach gives them a good clean and takes off most stamps.