The Great Texas Match Play Championships May 31-June 1

Hosted by Cirle R, home of two of the best championship style courses in the world. This weekend is proving to be one of the best events to play here in central Texas. Two days of match play, 100% payout in all divisions and the first 50 entrants will receive a "Q" omega with the "Circle R" hotstamp! To register now call, 1 830 833 1227

Hopefully some golfers will find out about this and come and play some match play this weekend......

[seewhere]

Who's running this? and what is Entry ? and the exact format? Players meeting time?

thanks

[seewhere]

Hello is this thing on??? Beuller beuller?

wish i knew about this a few weeks ago, i would be there, too little advance on time cant make it. sounds like fun though

I'm always up for some throwing! Please post some details!

Great Texas Match Play Tournament
Where: Circle R Ranch in Wimberley, TX
When: Sat. and Sun. May 31, - June 1st.
free camping for players
Sign up and info: 830 833-1227
Entry fees (including green fees)
PRO-$60
Masters-$50
Adv.-$40
Int.-$30
Rec.$20

First 50 entries will receive a Q-Omega with a Circle R "mini" stamp on it.($20 value)

Format is head to head match play competition. Exact round format will be determined after there is a better idea of how many are in each division. Everyone will get to play lots of golf.

Non-PDGA but all PDGA rules will apply.
100% payback in all divisions, Ams get to pick there prizes.

Late Registration from 7-8:30am Saturday morning.
Players meeting 9:00am. First round 9:30am.

I would like to apologize for not getting this on the board sooner. I won't go into excuses but I hope if you have a chance to make it out for your only chance this year to play the Rolling Meadows and Circ Hill in real competition you will.

I could use a few staff for this weekend, if there are any volunteers I will see to it you are taken care of.

Thanks,
Shannon

How many people are signed up so far??

50,000! O.K. a few less but most are scared of playing against you Eagle Eye.

[vinnie]

how is the formate going to work

man i wish i could go /msgboard/images/clipart/sad.gif

I know Vinnie aint skeered. I will probably be able to help you staff and play at the same time Shannon!

Sounds like fun! The Brownbracero is there.

Vinnie,
Divisions will be grouped into pools. You will play every one in your pool in head to head match play. Best record will move to the quarter finals. Everyone else will play a round (stroke)Sunday morning to fill in the remaining spots in the quarter finals. I believe true match play format is if you lose your out, that wouldn't be fun for 1st round losers. Match play is one of the most competitive formats, so many of your decisions are based on what your competitor has done. IMO
Did I mention it's a Millennium sponsored event/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

[vinnie]

does that mean millennium players enrty fee is FREE.
did I hear the echo of tour bonus?

Vinnie,
Don't forget Lago Sun.

Hey, if your gonna dream...DREAM BIG
We'll have the limo service pick you up at 7.

[vinnie]

NICE!
map sure the bar is stocked with RIPpel

what is the final count??

6

[exczar]

Quick note re: match play for disc golf.

First of all, I love disc golf competition, and want to encourage it at all levels. So saying this, I will offer this for your skewering:

I really have given this matter some thought, and I don't think that match play is a great fit for disc golf.

One strength we have in disc golf is our comaraderie:
<UL><LI>Before the round and before the last hole, the group high fives <LI>We usually want the players in our group to do well, we just hope that we do a little better than they do /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif <LI>We are playing against the course, not each other</LI>[/list]

Now consider what match play is: Two competitors, going head to head on each hole. The winner is not the one who did better against the course, it's the one who did better than the other player on more holes.

It's kinda like the joke where two hikers spook up a grizzly, who starts charging them, so the guys hightail it in the opposite direction. One of the guys looks back quickly and says, "Oh man, what are we going to do? He's catching up! We can't outrun him?" and to this, his companion states, "Hey, I'm not trying to outrun the bear, I'm trying to outrun you!"

Your play is predicated solely on where you are vis-a-vis your competitor. If it appears that he/she is going to bogie, you don't need to go for that 30 footer for birdie, you just lay up and take the hole with a par. It doesn't matter how many strokes with which you beat a competitor with on any given hole, so there is no need to risk blowing by the basket on your birdie putt and having a knee-knocker to save par.

The only time we would see this in medalist play is from a leader who wanted to preserve a lead with minimal risk, or someone who wanted to preserve a lead against a particular player in the same group.

But to be fair, on the flip side, you will see more exciting, do or die putts when the competitor needs to make a long putt to tie the hole.

It is definitely a different strategy when you are playing match. In medalist play, if you mess up, you figure you can get the stroke back with some more fortune on the next hole, and you can make up for it; but when you mess up in match play, you have basically given the hole away, never to be retrieved. I think that this may lead to more conservative play, especially when a hole has some significant OB/2 meter hazards, and I don't think it would be as much fun for the competitors or spectators.

To reiterate, I am not "blasting" match play or anyone who wants to promote match play (ie, I am not flaming, so please do not flame me). I am for anything that will promote the sport. I just don't want the "esprit de corps" of the disc golf community to be dissapated, and I think that medalist play shows off the excitement of the sport more than I think match play would.

I have always had a blast playing matchplay at Texas Team Championships and I think most others have too. I would not want to play this format all the time but it is a nice change of pace.

" In medalist play, if you mess up, you figure you can get the stroke back with some more fortune on the next hole, and you can make up for it; but when you mess up in match play, you have basically given the hole away, never to be retrieved."

Yes, but if you get an 8 on one of the early holes you only lose a hole that you CAN win back later.

Match Play has a different strategy but you still want to play your best golf, be consistant and have fun.

[magilla]

I have been finished working on a VERY nice 64 player,4 day, Winner/Loser Bracket Match Play Format. All Staggered Start with Tee Times. Minimum of 4 rounds over 2 days played by ALL competitors. 12 Hole Matches.

This will happen at some scale....../msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

True it is NOT traditional Golf Play BUT a very Competitive and Intense/msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

[ozdisc]

Having fun is what it's all about Bill. Twice a year everyone in Texas can play this great format and enjoy the events that have this format.

I pesonally love Match Play. As Shannon said one bad hole does not take you out the the money. The funny thing is the players actually enjoy this format very much Bill.

I wish I could play this weekend but I will be out of town working. It would have been nice to go back and beat up on everyone on 2 courses I know so well.

Have fun in the sun/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

I wont be able to make this one, but TTC I WILL make, barring the hand of god stopping me.

Match play is a BLAST, and a welcome change, from normal tournament play.

Ive been at TTC every year, and dont plan on breaking that tradition. Especially in San Saba, which is the ULTIMATE discgolf course, in the middle of nowhere.

I love it anyway...... /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

Number of players may have been low but the amount of fun was high.
4 open players: James McCaine and Joel Kelly are in the final right now to see who gets 1st.
Oh yeah we modified it into a 1 day event so these guys can go play Lago tomorrow.
3 intermediate decided match play didn't suit them so they are playing stroke play, one round on each course.
If we do this again next year we promise to promote it sooner and better. Spring comes in like a tiger and leaves like a beast around here.
and the winner is........ JOEL KELLYYYYYY

[grambo]

yeah, spring is over around here
and those summer tourneys at the circ are definitely beastly
i saw this tourney advert at the last minute, already had plans

but,
do you play fewer holes per match if more people show up?
16 players means 4 rounds, what if more showed up? play 5 rounds, 6?
play 9, 12 holes per match?
how do you handle a number of players not 4, 8, 16, 32, etc?

Grambo, There are no set rules for this but I think if you can get pools of 5 it's best, then you can play 4 9-hole matches the first day to determine your pool winners then have an early round Sun. morning to fill in spots in the quarter finals. In the finals(quarter, semi) it's win or go home.
Double elimination is a thought we had but if you had a big group there would inevitably be people who played only 2 9-hole rounds for there entry fee.
Single elimination would be very stressful but it could definatly make for some Cinderellas.

[seewhere]

Sorry Shannon but already told Jon P that I would help out there in lago, Course looks great The mini tomorrow whould be nice.

No apology necessary, the Q-Omega player package was really cool though. That -10 record has to fall sometime C-Ware. Remember -no beer- till after the round!

[seewhere]

Okay!! you gonna be there?

"...I don't think that match play is a great fit for disc golf.

...Before the round and before the last hole, the group high fives
We usually want the players in our group to do well, we just hope that we do a little better than they do
We are playing against the course, not each other"

Bill, that's a fascinating theory. But if it were true, disc golfers wouldn't enjoy skins or wolf, and they very much do. They also play cards all night (even during tournaments when they should be sleeping) -- that's an individual game that gets very personal.

Competitive disc golfers are... competitive, and match play is another way to enjoy competing.

Besides, everything you said about disc golf is true of ball golf. Sure, they don't high five each other on TV, but I bet they support each other (and secretly want to crush each other) just as much as disc golfers do.

For the fourth year in a row, we have proven that people don't want to play long courses at Wimberley in June (maybe we'll give up one of these days), so we didn't make any converts to match play this weekend. But the turnout at the Texas Team Championships and all the comments we hear every year prove that people really enjoy the format.

Players who have a real sense of sportsmanship and camaraderie know how to compete head-to-head and keep it fun. In fact, I think there's even more direct sharing of the thrill when you're going head-to-head with a friend and playing the course at the same time, and that can make it even MORE fun.

[exczar]

All,

Thanks for your non-flaming responses. I can see that my "ivory tower" theory does not hold much water in real life. I'm glad that the comraderie does not suffer due to the head-to-head competition. Also, as it is playing doubles, the novelty of the competition, and the different strategies that come into play, may pique the interest in this format.

Hey, Rappin',

How come you didn't go to Augusta, you old HoHoHoHOF'er you? I came close to going, but my scheduling did not permit it, and after reading the reviews of the course, I am going to try and clear my schedule for next year!

john,
it is not that wimberly in june is bad, remember the first b tier you had out there, very good turn out, also very good advance notification, had i known more than a week in advance of this tournament, i would have been there instead of live oak the week before, we (you) need to let more people know longer in advance of whats going on out there, it is a great course, but i hate to drive out there just to play a casual round since i dont live out there any more. i (and everybody else) need a good deal of advance warning before commiting to a drive out there, and hoping that there will be sufficiant compitition. I woiuld love the opportunity of running a tournament out there next year if you would like me too. we need to get alot of people and alot of incentives. let me know i would be more than happy.

Match play was a good idea, but not enough notice. then it was scheduled up against Lago Vista. I will choose Lago where I know my fellow club members are going and can expect 50 players. I love circle R and have not played there for a while. Please schedule something else with more notice.

[kingrat6931]

More notice in the scheduling would help. And as Crumpton said, it came up against Lago.
Myself, I find it hard to play the Hill course when it is 112 degrees! March or April would be great! I love the format and the fun of camping and partying with the other disc golfers.
My vote goes for keeping the Team Champs at Wimberley and adding another earlier in the year.

[Pizza God]

I think I need to clear some air here.

The Texas Match Play was scheduled way before there were ever mini's in Lago. This weekend has been reserved for a Circular Skies tournament for several years. This year John just changed the format and did not santion it.

So maybe Lago Vista should have moved there mini or not held it. Just a thought.

But, Circular Productions did not advertize this tournament at all that I saw. No Buzz, no show.

One other note, this tournament has been listed on the LSDGA web site for several months.

Yep...........its on my copy, I printed in march...

but not much mention of it, since then.

Wimberley definately needs some events there, since TTC moved to a bigger location. would be a shame to let the property go to waste, just seeing casual play.

[vinnie]

the limo never came by to pick me up!

Pizza open a window, that should help clear the air/msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

Don't drag the HCF Lago Monthly into this.

He should have sancation the event and discgolfers will show up. Mark that Pizza dude, sometimes he just ain't right. Circular Productions is NOT what it use to be./msgboard/images/clipart/sad.gif

"Circular Productions is NOT what it use to be" What the heck is that supposed to mean - because they did not promote an unsanctioned event???

John USETA run class tournament I guess Circular Productions was before your time /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

John,
Because it was not advertised well enough. You can argue all you want that you saw it or he saw it, but there were 56 players at Lago Vista. I spoke to quite a few who told me the same thing. We would love to play at circle R but we just did not hear about it in time. I am sorry for bring Lago into this Mark. I just wanted to use it as an example of a great turnout and fun tournament that a lot of people are not going to miss. I look forward to Lago every month. I have only missed one because I attended another tournament that gave me plenty of advance warning. That is why I politely asked for another tournament to be scheduled.

[seewhere]

Hey guys the 7 people that did Play said they had a GREAT time ad a GREAT DISC in the players pack. So the real question is WHERE"S the SCORES??? /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Pizzaman,
The world of disc golf is different than it was a few years ago. You can just about count on more than one event per weekend. It does not matter how many years you run a tournament on the same weekend, if you do not get word out people will forget. Now they have options. I for one am thankful we have options. John runs great events and knows I will come if I hear about the event and my family obligations allow for it. If not I will find a place to go discin. Fortunitly, that is not as hard to do today.
Round Rock!

Yes, we did get on Bryan's schedule early. Bryan did a superb job with the schedule.

No, we did not publicize it. That it totally our fault.

Lago has nothing to do with this.

El Chile, thank you for always having something helpful to say.

john let me run the Hill Country Challenge Next year!!!

I already have some ideas brewing /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

tfkocurek@yahoo.com

John has been and always will be a class act in my book.

Yep, class act indeed.....just a little too busy, to adveritse!

His subordinates have let him down......

/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Don't mess understand me John is King when it comes to discgolf/msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif what I'm saying is that circular productions use to run many tournaments through out the year, know its only a couple/msgboard/images/clipart/sad.gif

Well, when Circular Skies tournaments were around, Discgolf wasnt all that popular with the masses. In recent years, its not hard to find a tournament nearly every weekend in this great state, and around the nation.

that doesnt mean slow down on what you have found successful in the past.

i think that the tx 10 has sort of taken place of the circular skies tours, but i was not playing back then so i am not quite sure, i do remember right when i started playing, the first course i went to with real baskets was circle r on a friday, the next day was a mini and there were at least 40 people there for the 2 round mini. as far as i knew these went on once a month, and just all the sudden stoped, of course now i cant make it down there once a month but it was nice when i lived 45 min from there. i would love the opportunity of a real tournament ouit at the ranch, but i do need to make sure that many people and lots of compitition will be there. i am willing and able to run a tourney, just let me know.

TK