Profanity On The Courses

Not sure if this the right place to post this..but I looked and this was the only place I could see that it would be appropriate.

I do not play the sport but I am a spectator and love to watch it. I do play casually once in a while just to have a little fun.

I feel sad that many have to resort to foul language after a bad shot. I wanted to just share my thoughts on how some of us view profanity used on the courses .... whether a tourney or not... just in general. Some are very polite about apologizing when they see a lady present after they curse. I really appreciate that. /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif maybe just curb those curse words is all I ask. And of course I can only speak on behalf of myself. But I am never afraid to stand up for what I believe and being different or the minority isn't something I worry about. I have been known to tell you when I have heard enough of your mouth. But alot of times I just go on about my business since I'm not playing the sport.

There are alot of "minors" that play this sport and some are as young as 10 or 11 as I have seen and heard. There are also those of us that do not care to hear the profanity used by many of the players when you make a bad shot or for some other reason. Maybe you are just having a bad day, but don't take it out on the people around you. We all slip up sometimes and use a few choice words. Nobody is perfect.

My post isn't to point fingers at anyone, but to let you know that some of these "children" and yes if you are under the age of 18 you are a child...they are using this language too and that is scarey to hear a kid 14 or 16 years old say words I would have never said at that age. Many of these kids look up to you guys as role models and maybe you are all they have as a male or female figure in their lives. They need a good positive atmosphere to play this sport in. They are going to mimic what you do. Some kids may not even use this language at home, but they sure use it on the courses. Maybe at home they know they will get smacked in the mouth or some other type of discipline. But on the courses they feel it's ok cause " mostly everybody else does it".

Just wanted to kindly ask you all to remember those out there that don't care to hear this bad language or who "shouldn't have to hear it", just to play or watch this sport. Make it clean and fun for the kids that play out there as well.

No Stones please for me posting this.. I just experienced alot of profanity during the 4 day tourney this past weekend and wanted to let you all know that just because you are playing in the woods doesn't mean you have to act like you were raised in them.

[Chris Hysell]

True that.

[keithjohnson]

and here i thought all carolinaian's were such nice people /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif
must have been those out of staters /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

i know i am guilty of this and do act differently on the course when i'm with lorelei...but it also something i've been working on along with not complaning about every shot i throw....no matter how good the result....
one day maybe...

[*****] YOU!!!! /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

Seriously, I admit, I am guilty from time to time..........and try to be aware when women who are easily offended, or children around. In a perfect world, I wouldnt curse at all, but its much harder to stop, than I wish it were....

As a new father, I know I must put a halt to it, before she begins picking up words, but I fear, most people wont give a rats âss about it....

Seems that respect an common sense are becomming rare, in the latest generations.....

Profanity is the crutch of the inarticulent mother******

You know I got mad respect and love for you Lisa, and I always try to censor my language around kids, but profanity are just words that imply emphasis, and have been made taboo by social institutions (mainly religion) that I do not support. This doesn't mean I was raised in the woods (although that might have been nice...I may have been more the ubermensch then), it just means that when I speak, I say what I please, and others may have to deal with the issues that they have with my words, but that is their demon, not mine.

But now I will attempt to curtail my profanity around you Lisa, just because I like you and wit, and respect your wishes, but don't expect the same from everyone...
Peace

Wasn't me - I could hardly breathe, much less cuss... Although finishing in last place in nearly every tourney was worth a few choice words...

BS - ya got to post before inhaling...

TomCat

BS is a [*****]

[klemrock]

inarticulate
:-)

[samwilliams]

What are you implying or emphasizing?

[samwilliams]

IMO profanity is a way of expressing your disgust or aggravation with little to no thought of those around you.It also demonstrates your lack of a bigger vocabulary. It is an inarticulate way so say "what a crappy shot","why did I do that?" Regardless how opressed sociatal institutions have made us we should have a general respect for people as human beings. It is not their "demon" that they don't like to hear profanity.It is their God given right to be offended by whatever they deem offensive. It is your demon that you don't have enough respect for people as a whole to refrain from profanity while in mixed company. I'm sure there are others that share your opinion. I on the other hand do not.

[quickdisc]

My Dad used to say "Profanity is a feible mind trying to express itself forceably". Opps, may have mis-spelled a few words there. Hey Lisa, you
should carry around a tape recorder ,I have in the
past, just to listen to some of the comments that come out of the golfers mouths. It doesn't even sound like they are playing golf. Some statements
are like the ones made by Adam Sandler in Happy Gilmore. Some are super funny ,some are totally rotten ,some are just wrong. You would think they are having a divorce with their plastic. I have seen guys fist fight for some words spoken and being disqualified from a tournament doesn't look very good for the sponsors. Players know. Some don't care. It can be difficult not to swear when
things are going from bad to worse. It does take allot of self control ,especially when people are
watching you play. I actually watched a guy playing in a tournament , he was really pi$$ed off
about his game, during the lunch break between rounds he headed up to the parking lot ,went up to
a Stop sign and put his knuckles imprint in the sign. Wow. Easy there guy !! Sometimes it may get to the point where you need to step back ,take a deep breath and try to adjust to the current situation. It can be hectic out there. Maybe sometimes we take this sport way to seriously. Once the fun is gone ,for some it's over. Kind of sad if one person in the group recks it for the others playing. I hate those type of foursome's.
"Glad this round is over". I have said before.
I know players who know what I'm talking about.

What can you do? Just be cool about it. Don't sweat the small stuff. Let it go. What's done is done.$uck it up. Believe in yourself and power through the negative and turn it into positive /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

I'll probably get ribbed for saying all that ,but
we all go through a learning experience while playing and setting a good example for the new players has to happen. Not only that ,people don't
want to hang around somebody swearing all the time. They'll learn the hard way if they don't stop. Just play. Good and Bad. It's all a wash.
It happens to everybody at times. You can't get ahead by swearing. It will just drain you anyway.

Thanks for letting me say my 2 cents.

"It is their God given right to be offended by whatever they deem offensive."

WHAT?!!!

People who are easily offended, offend me!

Well, ill have to disagree about the inarticulate, since I cuss like a sailor, and have a highly enlightened vocabulary. LAZINESS is usually what contributes to those simpleton words eminating from my orifice. /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

I do like BS's point, about its really a point of view. Being offended by someones words, not directed towards you, is in a sense, a weakness that has been ingrained into many. Dont expect others to conform to your desires, as you will likely be continually let down and disappointed.
Granted, there will be many who completely agree with you. Personally, I was always taught to respect others, and so forth, but it just is often more entertaining to do what it is, that you desire, so long as you arent harming someone.
I know this will be a very unpopular point of view, but Cest la vie.......its been a boring day.


I do try and be a much nicer person, around women and children though.....

And I am much nicer in person.

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[spartan]

Get kids. You just make up cuss words instead of the real stuff:

DAG NABBIT!!
MOTHER TRUCKER!!
GOSH DOG IT!!
GOOD GRAVY!

Be fun with it but remember, God is watching. (jk. I think he is watching the Best D*mn Sports Show all the time and isnt paying much attention anymore.)

I'm going straight to he77 for that one.

[twoputtok]

Get Three kids and you just stare at them.

[mitchjustice]

Tartar Sauce

[spartan]

lol @ Mitch

I thought it smelled like mayo and relish out in Lubbock. I just thought it was the water. /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Profanity got a great course in MN pulled in 3 mos.

Dâmn......that would [*****]. [*****] Old Fart/Bible thumper crowd!!!

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[frizgolf]

Cussing...it's just a control issue, really. When you're losing control of your game, you yell (cussing or not), stomp, or punch something. This is your way of expressing "I'm capable of much better." The trick is to know this, and correct the problem before it happens again. Most people won't cuss after just one mistake. It's usually after the sixth or seventh time. "Here I go again", is what creeps into your mind. You have lost control. When playing golf, you spend 1 1/2-2 hours on the course. If you shoot, say, 60, and spend a total of 30 seconds addressing each shot, that's a half hour maximum. What are you thinking that other hour or so? Are you stewing about that last shot? That's OK, it's quite normal. If you can clear the mind for just 30 seconds, calm down, make your best shot, then resume the stewing, you'll find that the shots get better, and the stewing subsides. Pick your times for anger, recognize the error when you make it, and the anger will subside. Take it from an old **** who has a temper the size of Texas. I still do, just not on the golf course anymore. There's a time and a place for everything, and the golf course isn't the place for spontaneous combustion.

[xterramatt]

Here's the problem, when you take the time to think about the word you are going to use, it either means you KNOW you are going to throw a bad shot, or you are taking precious cycles away from your throwing focus...

Hmm, let me think about this sho t for a minute... but for a moment, let me think of a politically correct expletive for the chance that this shot goes awry.... Hmm, how bout Mifflepliffs! KA KA KA KA KOOIE! SNUFFLEPANTS! CRIMINY CREEPERS! ... now where was I? Oh yeah... SHANK. [*****] [*****] [*****] [*****] little [*****] [*****] on a [*****] [*****] [*****] [*****] [*****]!

Hopefully just bringing it to our attention will curb it... I heard an overly nasty word on the course that offended ME, and it came from one who was under 18 years old...

[amdiscgolfer]

Because we are talking about common Sense I thought it appropriate to share with you an email that I got from a good friend of mine, it is a little long but well worth the read.

So Here goes...


Today we mourn the passing of an old friend, by the name of Common Sense.

Common Sense lived a long life but died recently in the United States. No one really knows how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.

He selflessly devoted his life to service in schools, hospitals, homes, factories helping folks get jobs done without fanfare and foolishness. For decades, petty rules, silly laws, and frivolous lawsuits held no power over Common Sense.

He was credited with cultivating such valued lessons as to know when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm, and that life isn't always fair.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn), reliable parenting strategies (the adults are in charge, not the kids), and it's okay to come in second. A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, and the
Technological Revolution, Common Sense survived cultural and educational trends including body piercing, whole language, and "new math."

His health declined when he became infected with the "If-it-only-helps-one-person-it's-worth-it" virus. In recent decades his waning strength proved no match for the ravages of well intentioned but overbearing regulations. He watched in pain as good people became
ruled by self-seeking lawyers. His health rapidly deteriorated when schools endlessly implemented zero-tolerance policies.

Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate, a teen suspended for taking a swig of mouthwash after lunch, and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student only worsened his condition. It declined even further when schools had to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a student but could not inform the parent when a female student was pregnant or wanted an abortion.

Common Sense lost his will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, churches became businesses, criminals received better treatment than victims, and federal judges stuck their noses in everything from the Boy Scouts to professional sports.

Finally, when people, too stupid to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, were awarded a huge settlement, Common Sense threw in the towel. As the end neared, Common Sense drifted in and out of logic but was kept informed of developments regarding questionable regulations such as those for low flow toilets, rocking chairs, and stepladders.


Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He is survived by
two stepbrothers: My Rights, and Ima Whiner.



Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.

No cursing? What a party pooper...

[wit]

the bottom line is ..... show a little respect for others. we are setting an example.

Profanity got a great new course pulled in MN in 3 months.

[jackinkc]

Profanity got a course pulled? I think that the people that were rude must have gotten a course pulled, or the idea of a course was not that strong to begin with. Or it was too close to many other outlets. But to say that profanity got a course pulled, would take an awful lot convincing to me. Public parks are loaded with profanity, right or wrong, stop by your local BB pickup game, don't stop by the kids playground.

I am curious to hear how Profanity got a course pulled, was it on the preachers back 40?

[rhett]

Beer at softball games doesn't get the diamonds pulled, but disc golf doesn't have that level of acceptance. It might not be fair, but that's reality baby. We have to deal with it.

Neighbors were complaining. After we met onsite a couple of players told a Park and Rec director to get the F**K out of the way! Stokely showed up the next day to do a clinic and guess what, no baskets.

Treysbetterhalf wrote: "It is their God given right to be offended by whatever they deem offensive. It is your demon that you don't have enough respect for people as a whole to refrain from profanity while in mixed company. I'm sure there are others that share your opinion. I on the other hand do not."

And it is my right to express myself in whatever fashion I wish. My demons have been expelled long ago...that is why nothing really offends me. Everything is an individual choice among a myriad of reactions. Why should a word carry that much weight as to take up anymore of your time than the millisecond that it took to be expressed.
When you choose to be a pawn instead of a king or queen, you choose to lose the flexibility of making these decisions for yourself, and can only move straight down a predetermined path, occassionally able to strike out to your side at someone that doesn't follow your same path. But then you open your defense for a mightier piece to strike back at your fundamental basis...ohhh, CHECKMATE!
I have plenty of respect for everyone, and if you would have taken the time to completely read and comprehend my post, you would see that I was informing Lisa that I would respect her wishes, and attempt to curtail my profanity around her. Thanks for your opinion though...I can respect it as well.

I believe it is inappropriate to use profanity in many places and the disc golf course is not one of them. it has been said that guys should be mindful of the ladies being present, however the ladies I play with curse more than i do and the kids that i have played with curse more than I have ever have. The kids are not as innocent as some will admit. Profanity is not inappropriate for discgolf.

[rhett]

What do you call "kids", Jeffrey? I'll agree that the high schoolers cuss like sailors, but we have plenty of 10-13 year olds playing in these parts. Are those the ones you hear cursing?

[rhett]

Hey BS,

Blah blah blah blah. We live within a world and within communities. It's great that you have such self-actualization that you don't give a [*****] what anyone else thinks, but the bottom line is that in order to get (and keep) courses in the community parks where they go we have to fit in with the surrounding communities. It's a fact of life. Fair, uptight, or ridiculous doesn't matter. It simply is what it is, and it really is that. And you don't have to be a preacher or a religious holy-roller to be offended by profanity. Think about the mom walking in the park with her 3-13 year old kid.

Hey BS, got anymore for sale? I`d love to be what you`re on.

[jackinkc]

Steve, then Profanity did not get the courses pulled, but rather the rude actions of someone that may have used profanity got it pulled. Which makes more sense. Are the baskets for sale? We are getting more courses in here in KC< and could always use them. I would love to have the Park Director talk to our Parks people and get a sweet deal on baskets, we are getting ready to order 48 baskets for 2 new courses, and we have plans for another course underway, any way to help defray costs would be greatly appreciated.

That is unfortunate for your area, but if you can get the baskets planted somewhere else, you are giving to the game!!
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You`re right Jack,it was a contributing factor along with trash,illegal drug use,and alcohol.I believe [*****] is recycling those baskets for a course to go in this summer.

Profanity does not bother me. However argry cussing gets on my nerves. Cussing with a smile on your face is perfectly fine with me.

Profanity seems to bother park and rec. directors and city councils.

/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif <FONT COLOR="ff0000">**** ***</FONT> Pat ! /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

[quickdisc]

Hmmmmmmmm......Cussing with a smile. I may have seen Tiger Woods accomplish that one. I saw him last weekend put one up in some trees !! Tiger Woooooooods /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

I once was riding shotgun with BS Mojo Johnson and witnessed him hit a lady crossing the street. I was terrified. What did BS do? He calmly got out of his car, walked up to the lady on the ground and said, "Get the f**k out of my way Ho!" I lost all my respect for him that day.

It ain't easy being ah Pimp!

Thanks to all that read this thread and for the comments, rather positive or negative... the whole purpose for posting was AWARENESS. This was not intended for a religious debate or smack talk between disc golfers..just plain awareness.

Again thanks for reading... /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

[frizgolf]

Cussing with a smile. I like it. A coworker once told me "don't call me that without a smile on your face". Seems reasonable. I think the issue isn't the actual profanity, it's the sudden loud interruption. Since BS is going to watch himself around Joy4lly, what's the reaction going to be when he does **** up? (Implied emphasis.) A sudden, loud "fudgecake!"? If the presence of one person calms him down, he needs to hire that person as a caddy and let us all golf in peace. Control, man, control!

[rshelt]

I hate freakin' cussing. But what if you grew up in a freakin' area that every other freakin' word is a freakin' cuss word, I mean freakin' "A". I grew up in freaking north Los Angeles, and it might as well been freakin' New York, because everybody uses freakin' cuss words, whether their freakin' happy or freakin' mad! My freakin' wife says I've got to stop freakin' cussin' in front of the freakin' kids, but it's freakin' hard, because it's part of my freakin' vocabulary,...... but I'm trying/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

[quickdisc]

Wow ......Super Freakin' /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

Rarely am I not calm...I do not use profanity out of anger, but out of sheer enjoyment of language in general.

And cuttas...It IS easy being and mother-f#cking P.I.M.P

I missed this thread the first go-around. I don't get angry in tourneys as a rule, but I do swear a lot, and generally resent any infringement on using any dang word I want, when I want it, but I make some effort when an easily offended person shows up. I would also make an effort to tell the easily-offended person that I would appreciate if he/she took their easily-offended feelings to another foursome. Thankfully, I think I've only had this happen once in 15 years of tourneys.

Profanity censorship on this board is annoying, and pointless as well, as we can get around this.

I'm surprised that some of the zero-tolerance people aren't more upset with the obvious flouting of the f'ing censorship rules.

Perhaps someone can enlighten me about what is so wrong about profanity? I suppose one can overuse it to the point of time-wasting incomprehension, but to ban it altogether from speech, discussion boards, life?

I might be more receptive to non-swearing, but a couple of thoughts come to mind:

(1) I simply can't understand how this so horribly offends and harms people. For example, let's try a word how about [*****]. By [*****], I mean like a relative of the donkey, I can't say the actual word. Now most people wipe it a couple of times a day, but apparently this is such a traumatic experience for some people that they can't stand to be reminded of the horror? Same with $uck, l![*****], bl0w, whatever. Perfectly normal words in my book but for some people, oh the horror, hide the kids. Of course, there's no problem with kill, stab, bludgeon, disembowel, lie, cheat, steal etc etc.

(2) So let's say that all the profaners in the world decide that, OK, "rhymes with bass" is bad so from now on we'll say "bottom" and for "rhymes with flit" we'll say "#2". You have to figure that in a couple of generations, people will be offended by "bottom" and "#2," so that we'll have to call it "nether region" and "#3 minus 1" and the game goes on.

One other thing for the censor: you should at the very least add "bloody" and "shag" to the list. Think of the British children, for heaven's sake.

So help to enlighten me. I'm willing to compromise, and do, but it would really help me to toe the line if I could think of any good reasons why I should stop profaning.

Playing golf is a great place for pushing an individual's control to and over the edge.

It's interesting to see what lies over the edge during casual play. A couple years ago, I was playing a round with the local city manager (another 50s dude), and, as is not unusual at Lk Stevens, he smashed his disc into a tree about 20 feet from the tee. He put on a burst of 'stuff' that made the rest of the foursome take a step back. Four letter words and MF seemed a bit of out of character... He calmed down after that...

The real issue with language generally only exists during pro play. PGA golfers have all sorts of contracts with the PGA as well as with sponsors about their behavior, including language, slurs, etc. It's generally the sponsors who are most concerned with misbehavior. However, the PGA also 'helps' by enforcing behavior codes on other players so that sponsors of good behaving players (and the sport) aren't embarrassed by having their sponsored player shown with someone ripping off a chunk of foul language.

Bottomline, until the sport's pros are full of sponsored pros with contracts, what the PDGA does or doesn't do about bad language isn't particularly valid. Unless perhaps the PDGA wants to clean up the pro ranks to make it easier for sponsored players to come about.

Hippe Rhett told me that his kid reads this board and I was cussing too much but in Rhetts post...[*****] was typed...Rhett are now smoking ciggies as well/msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

BTW, cussing is everywhere and a part of everyday life now that "Leave It To Beaver" is no longer on the air, so [*****] off and get the [*****] over with it, ya [*****].

It's not so much about the actual utterance as it is the intention.

If I blow a shot, and mutter "Shucks" to myslef that's one thing. If I turn to another player, or players, and call them "dillholes", that's another thing.

It's not so much what you do, as How you do it.

Hi Kurt.
We missed you in NorCal this year. You're an inspiration for all the right reasons.

Hope you are doing well.

JS

* call them "dillholes", *

While in college at UCSB, a group of roomies and I made a good sport out of making up new euphamisms to use for this or that.

"Bopunk", and "Duuflet" are two I recall...

One can also go the route of Spykids with "shitaki mushrooms" or such things.

IMHO, there's really little reason to use recognizable euphamisms when you feel the need to express such feelings.

For all I know, if you yell 'oh ficus' (with the intent of saying anything you wish), it may jar the mental focus of someone you're playing with (who is trying to figure out what oh ficus means) without offending anyone..

[rhett]

I didn't ever really say that The Dud cusses too much, did I?

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The reason profanity is bad is because a couple of complaints to a park director can get a course pulled!

Played in a doubles tournament over the weekend and we got paired up with a couple of 14 year olds the first round. I didn't realize how much I swear while playing until I tried playing a round without swearing.
Great something else to work on. :p

Santoro... You even have kids! I would have thought you curbed by now! (Although, watching Howard's putting makes me swear, and he isn't even my partner :D)

Saw a long time pro this last weekend (at a tournament not to be named) not only curse and cuss from his poor play but did it loudly and more than once. i saw three different groups look at our group as if to say, "whats going on over there???". I was embarrassed for the guy, but when you disrupt other players not in your group, your way out of line..... no the others in our group didnt say anything, and now i wonder why we didnt... :(

Jason, I don't swear at home in front of the kids but I was surprised by how natural it is to swear when the putts don't fall.
Hey I thought you and the Mrs. were supposed to beat us at FDR? Where were you?

Swear you wont swear again!!!! :eek:

[crusher]

Language on the course is something we could all work on!

I learned this while golfing one Easter sunday, there was a group playing, and they told this family that was having an Easter egg hunt, to get the F off our course!

Imagine if that was your family being yelled at?

[seewhere]

good point savage . congrats at USDGC. :p

mr Toad, was his last name Rico??

no, this was more like an angry clown incident (but not him either), someone who got so wrapped up in what he was doing, or not doing he lost control....no excuses though. :(

Haas, you of all people to talk about MY putting? You and your hubby better bring the A-game to Warwick on Dec 6th! Don't worry, Jim and I won't charge you for the lesson we'll be giving ya.

I was impressed that Santoro kept his language in check, although he did mutter a few things under his breath that I could hear. Most were directed at me (rightfully so on a couple of occasions), so they didn't bother me and my virgin ears.

Easily offended people, need to get a life....

:eek:

[Chris Hysell]

Keep it up Scmacky, you will never defeat me.

Nor do i give a rats *** about post count....

I just talk alot....

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Cursing, are you kidding me........we play a competitive sport........Tiger does it whenever and every time he hits a bad shot. You see him mouth the F-word at every tournament on National TV. How about fixing the rampant CHEATING that has been going on! Sorry,http://www.columbusracing.com/ubb/graemlins/offtopic.gifMy shltty $.02. oops Sorry,http://www.columbusracing.com/ubb/graemlins/banned.gif

[scottsearles]

As long as it is under your breath and not directed at anybody in your group or at people collecting EASTER EGGZ or whatever they are doing. We are not that SPECIAL YET. As most of our Courses are in Public Park's not in EXCLUSIVE DISC GOLF COURSE'S. We have to remember to SHARE the PARK. WE up in the N.W. Are LUCKY! :cool: As most of our parks have enough room to play DISC and not really see other people on the course. Sorry off thread a little but 4 letter WORDZ seem to be ranking a little high on a problem list for the Disc Golf World right now! IMHO

[crusher]

thanx seeware. what the heck happened to your pourskins?
:(

[seewhere]

they are experimenting this season.. how about the trick play to beat Seattle :D

yeah, sorry bastages.....at least i won my fantasy game this week...

:p